Suing the NHS to gain access to ivf treatment

Yes I agree that this will just mean the nhs will decide not to fund it for anyone. Can’t be accused of inequality then can they?

They are specifically seeking parity with the fertility treatment protocols for people diagnosed with cancer.

Apologies, this is the main thread discussing the issue which should have been linked with the videos above (worth reading):
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3326933-NHS-told-give-trans-patients-equal-access-to-fertility-service

This has at least peak-transed a friend of mine who is completely horrified by this story.

Yes I agree that this will just mean the nhs will decide not to fund it for anyone. Can’t be accused of inequality then can they?

Nobody gets ivf regardless of reasons. So who suffers because of trans ideology? Women! Surprise!

From a thread in August when this was first announced:
I think this would mean egg collection & storage, some anticipate surrogacy There are quite a lot of youtube videos with this being discussed:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjG08N7xkUM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMCt2yZr8uA

see also:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3333708-NHS-faces-lawsuit-for-not-funding-fertility-services-for-transgenders-who-want-kids

Recent complaint about prioritising of mastectomies for those women with cancer over those transmen having elective surgery. There was talk of a protest being organised for yesterday about this somewhere in London:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3368777-To-think-that-in-the-current-dire-state-of-the-NHS-finances-its-a-no-brainer-that-first-priority-for-mastectomies-goes-to-cancer-patients

This will end NHS IVF for everyone. It hardly funds any right now.

I wondered that too.

Oh, and when children are being forced into this before they even hit puberty, they don't get the option to be fertile. I'd support them suing the organizations like mermaids who robbed them.

This will end NHS IVF for everyone. It hardly funds any right now.

That way no one will be able to claim discrimination.

Bit shit for everyone whose infertility wasn’t caused by self diagnosed conditions.

Still, once T May has had transgenderism uncoupled from gender dysphoria, there will be no NHS treatment for trans people at all.

That’s what self ID will get you.

I said this before on this subject, but how the hell is this supposed to work?

A great number of scenarios would involve surrogacy as far as I can see, so more ethical conundrums.

Plus, this is surely making yourself voluntarily sterile. Therefore it should be up to the individual to pay. When women can't get ivf if their partner had children in a previous relationship, this is inappropriate,

The NHS is being sued, so this is an active issue right now. Its ridiculous to say we shouldn't talk about it.

No one has the right to IVF or to have their sperm or eggs stored. Not cancer patients or people who are infertile, or people serving in the armed forces or police.
The services to store eggs or sperm or for IVF exist, but people have to pay. It shouldn't be any different for trans people.

Given that the NHS does not offer infertile women the "right" to IVF at present, I don't see how such a case could succeed.

I think that's what the notion of a 'right' means.

Hopefully, yes, that is what it means. Hopefully this will be struck down on that basis.

I think you should have the right to not not have a family - ie. you shouldn't be prevented from having a family, rather than one should be facilitated in having one.

I think that's what the notion of a 'right' means.

I am unsettled by the idea that there is a human right to have a family.

I don't know how it should be worded, but I don't think you have the right to a family, I think you should have the right to not not have a family - ie. you shouldn't be prevented from having a family, rather than one should be facilitated in having one.

Isn't Jamie's partner a woman? Do we infer that she is unable to have children - or is Jamie (who is, surprisingly, a volunteer with Mermaids) bringing a test case based on themselves?

Because I can't see how the 'right to family life' (which can't mean 'you definitely have the right to bear children', because not everyone can regardless of the availability of treatment) means the 'male' partner in this couple has to be the one who bears a child.

This was reported on my local news this morning at the end of a very short headline type piece as "suing as they claim they are being denied their human right to a family".

Sloppy reporting i thought. Otherwise anyone who is declined for adoption or has unsuccessful ivf treatment or has no access to ivf could surely sue regardless of your personal circumstance if everyone has a right to have children.

I don't think TRAs should sue the NHS.

Totallywired but if the NHS can't find people to have IVF due to their infertility caused by no fault of their own, why on earth should TRAs sue the NHS to get funding for people who CAUSED their own infertility?

This:
Why should the NHS then provide IVF etc to people who have chosen to damage their infertility when women, natal women, cannot access it on the NHS?

I think it all starts from the same place, societal expectations of gender, toxic masculinity, etc. I agree with SilverBirchTree there is a degree of obsession on these boards which is out of proportion with the threat posed by transgenderism. I don't believe TWAW or male people should be in women's prisons, I do think that some transactivists push far to far, but claiming trans people are going to put a massive strain on the NHS is OTT, refusing to vote Labour because of the trans issue when there are so many more pressing issues like inequality, rough sleeping and poverty seems crazy to me.

Silverbirchtree 'the problem is men in pants' WE KNOW

And part of our concern about self-ID is those violent men using the transgender debate to get access to women IN ORDER TO RAPE THEM.

Agree op. Also we are told that this isn’t a mental illness, not at all. Yet the NHS should still pay for drugs, fertility treatment, breast implants, mastectomies,etc etc etc.

Trans people make up less than 1% of the population. Even if I agreed that they were out to harm women, they hardly have the numbers to perpetrate the harm people here seem to fear.

Two women in the UK are killed every week by their cis male partners/former partners.

Maybe that's a better starting point.

This trans stuff is a fundamental feminist issue. It’s the starting place for the other, also very pressing issues.

Perhaps those whose sole campaigns are about their identity rights, which massively affects girls and women’s safety, dignity and privacy, might also want to think about what other less woman-hating political activism they could be doing?