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Self ID - should it be more like getting married?

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Thethiniceofanewday · 25/09/2018 21:52

Bear with me. Thinking about Self-ID in preparation for filling in the consultation.

The Government seems to be looking about Self-ID as though it were the same as a name-change - you make a statutory declaration of your new name, start using it, and off you go.

Maybe it isn't like that.

Maybe it should be more like a marriage contract. A marriage is a public contract between two people, as a result of which they get certain social benefits which used to include tax breaks, inheritance rights, etc.

Changing from a man to a woman, or vice-versa, isn't just a personal decision. It's a social one too, it affects your family, your children, if you have any, your employers. It means you can conceal debts or past crimes.

So maybe Self-ID should be more like getting married, in that you would publish 'banns' and anyone who objected would have the right to be heard.

But the TRAs would never accept any exernal constraint, would they.

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RoseAndRose · 25/09/2018 22:08

Banns or notice of marriage are published so people can object if the marriage is unlawful (not of age, married already, too closely related, either party incapable of understanding)

It does not seek to assess whether someone's reasons for marrying are worthy enough.

OnlyObjectivity · 25/09/2018 22:03

You are misinformed Billy

Anyone can change gender just by doing so - there is no formal process.

Self-ID is about changing sex in the eyes of the law. That's the whole point.

  • and that is why it is problematic.
Toddleoo · 25/09/2018 21:58

And marriage only ever affects the people that agreed to it at the time (I suppose you could argue it affects the kids but there's social services etc to mitigate for that) and either one can decide to end it. Self id will affect every generation and presumably couldn't suddenly be terminated by someone who isn't the transperson so it's even more serious than marriage.

BillywilliamV · 25/09/2018 21:57

Thats a red herring of an argument, you need to get with the programme. We're changing gender not sex.

MIdgebabe · 25/09/2018 21:54

But ...erm....changing from man to woman isn't actually possible . Beam me up Scotty , you cannna change the laws of physics ( and chemistry and biology )