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2 reasons why I couldn’t peaktrans my sister

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Destinysdaughter · 25/09/2018 20:17

I had a chat with my older sister last week about the issues we discuss on here on a daily basis. It was much harder than I imagined it would be. She’s a woman in her 50s, ex teacher and v rational. The 2 stumbling blocks, that I struggled to refute were, her argument that, if it’s such a big deal as I was making it out to be, why wasn’t it being reported in The Guardian, the BBC, R4, Women’s Hour etc ( the main places where she gets her news information).

The other sticking point was her assumption that trans women were men who had had a sex change operation, AKA old school transsexuals. She was perfectly ok with them being regarded as women. However she just couldn’t believe that men who are actually what would have been considered transvestites were now claiming to be women. It really brought it home to me what we are up against when I think a majority of the unsuspecting public may well think like this.

Just wanted to share this and would appreciate any advice in countering these arguments?

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Moominfan · 25/09/2018 20:29

Someone at work told me to watch orange is the new black re trans issues, buzzfeed got a mention, lesbians need to be open about loving anyone, children can understand people wanting to be a different gender.... it's going to be a long hard slog

Viago · 25/09/2018 20:28

Maybe the article (was it Andrew Gilligan or James Kirkup?) where they discussed the BBC trying to disprove that 40+% of trans prisoners are sex offenders and how they made a complete hash of it, discovered that it was more like 48% and then tried to pretend it wasn't true.

Also maybe the fact that they wouldn't cover the David Challenor case for ages and even then only v briefly? (Both Guardian and BBC). And with the BBC, why when MNers complained, they were told it wasn't a big story or some bollocks - and compare it to the other abuse story in Coventry that week that was on the BBC straight away?

As LemonJello says, Karen White and the article which talks about "her penis" when KW was in the female prison. Jess Bradley and getting "her" penis out in public/at work.

ToeToToe · 25/09/2018 20:26

Sometimes, the only way is to actually go on twitter, or wherever and see it for yourself. The abuse, the utter madness of a transcult.

Personally, it didn't take much for me. I'm a natural radical feminist, and all it took was the lady-penis and Caitlynn Jenner getting WOman of the Year.

Maybe there are some people who will never get it. Until it's too late that is.

Don't forget, some women worked against the Suffragettes.

GenderApostate · 25/09/2018 20:24

It’s because the truth is so outlandish and bizarre, people who haven’t been immersed in this and / or experienced it first hand are incredulous.

FPFW and TGT are my websites of choice for showing the truth of the matter.

LemonJello · 25/09/2018 20:20

Send her some articles from The Times and Spectator re Karen White. That’ll do it.