2 reasons why I couldn’t peaktrans my sister

Finding all the amazing, intelligent women in gender critical and radical feminism was just an awesome extra.

I read hundreds of transition stories. That was what did it for me. I'd advise everyone to get onto the internet and find out what people are actually saying.

This is a very NSFW blog post about a transwoman wanting to overcome the cotton ceiling:

tgforum.com/wordpress/the-cotton-ceiling

The cotton ceiling isn't just this one person's world view. It's all over the place.

Other impacts on lesbians:

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/7s4bu2/as_a_lesbian_in_university_i_feel_increasingly/?st=jcrgu3hc&sh=494e4e95

Thinking about the schools angle, show her Allsorts advice to schools. That has been rolled out to many EAs now. Then look at Transgender Trend to see how it should be done. Again, she must be able to see how dreadful the advice from the former is re girls and safeguarding/equality.

Suggest that she just has a browse through the threads on MN. It has worked for me and everyone I have Peak Transed since.

Is Posie’s ‘rant’ too much to start with? Someone on here the other day said it was responsible for her ‘Peak Trans’ moment.

GirlGuides? As a teacher she must be able to start at the safeguarding/whistleblowing aspect and move on from there.

It sounds like she's stuck in genuinely wanting to be nice and kind. Use that socialisation against her, challenge it.

"I know it sounds unbelievable, and I know you want to be kind - I love that about you. Are you suggesting that I'm lying, or just stupid? Are you saying that the women who have been assaulted & threatened (Maria Maclachlan, female inmates, Venice etc) are lying - just because you haven't personally seen it on telly yet? No? Well maybe give their stories more of a hearing than what the BBC will allow." Follow with links.

on 2 - show her Pips Bunce, Danielle Muscato, Alex Drummond.

Remind her that transvestites are men who dress for sexual kicks, not people with gender dysphoria. Ask what business the law has making it easier for men to indulge their fetishes at women's expense.

I had a similar story with my sister. I think most people think you MUST be making it up it's so bizarre. What really helped my sister was this video from Rose of Dawn. If she's a proper leftist it might jar her a bit

The thing that did it for her was the cotton ceiling thing. Show her some Rapey J Penis videos maybe? Worked for my sister.

Good luck

I just had a conversation with my (male) colleagues about Bunce. I couldn't believe they did not get it... Or rather they were logically extrapolating from the things they vaguely think are right about gender and inclusivity and concluding that it must be right to treat pretend to see him as a a woman

Had a similar conversation yesterday with a male colleague who was very confident that transwomen had had all the surgery and were on hormone tablets. Didn’t have any kind of a clue about self-ID, but was quite horrified at the thought once it was presented to him, and the potential impact on his primary and secondary school aged daughters.

Sorry, I don't have a share token for this, but in order to answer the question "why aren't Women's Hour covering it?" you need to start with Jenni Murray's Sunday Times piece here: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/be-trans-be-proud-but-dont-call-yourself-a-real-woman-frtld7q5c

Then show her the tons of abuse she got for it. Then if you can find the stat, add the massive overrepresentation of trans employees at the BBC (have they also been advised by Mermaids etc?).

It's called Frequently Asked Questions I have noticed here. Currently on p2 of Feminist Chat. She may need

There is a very good introductory thread. I don't do links, but I will see if I can find the title

Do they still say 'pre-op' even though most will never have the 'op' anyway? It kind of suggests they are on a waiting list rather than have no intention of going through it.

Maybe tell her about the article where James Kirkup (?) said members of the cabinet had told him they were too scared to talk about the topic.

Maybe change tack and say look don't you think they should be reporting the David Challenor case? And if other news outlets are, why weren't the BBC? How can you justify it not being considered news? And then discuss the trans angle and the high % of BBC employees that are considered to be trans.

Also the wide-reaching Stonewall umbrella.

These might help.

I was the same about the BBC until I was researching a story they were not covering.
It was eye-opening but I think in my case I had to find it out myself.

And regarding trans issues tbh i knew only of Jan Morris and April Ashley, genuinely brave people imo who had been on a very long and difficult road in life.
I was introduced to some of the implications of Self ID by Mumsnet. So thanks for that. I mentioned to family members some of what was going on in prisons and they were incredulous. My DH said of one situation near us "well the prison services will knock that on the head.!" Er no, self ID IS being accommodated.

She won't believe something until its covered by her favourite news sources?

Did your sister miss the Guardian's report on a Minister's urgent enquiry into why so many teenage girls were intent on mutilating their bodies, sterlization and life long drug dependency, to become pale imitations of men? Perhaps, she didn't see the problem that society was storing up for the future.

People respond to different aspects of the phenomenon of transgenderism. Give it time.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/there-no-legal-bars-woman-10297113

the Philip Bunce thing this week? City banker who wears a wig and dress to work for half the time, has been named one of the uk’s top 100 females in business

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6195853/Credit-Suisse-boss-dresses-woman-slammed-appearing-100-women-list.html

msybe try Magdalen Berns’s youtube film on Alex Drummond? He is a beardy man who feels he’s ‘expanding the bandwidth’ of womanhood.

Danielle Muscato?

There was also a piece in the Spectator about lack of BBC coverage, and a buzzfeed piece ages ago about internal tussles.

Other good articles to highlight silencing:

• Janice Turner article in the Times on accusations of hatespeech
• Durham student sacked for retweeeting an article saying women don't have penises (Times)
• Gulag Goldsmiths utter craziness - The Telegraph article on this was utterly hilarious.

To tackle the first one, there's the scandalous article published by The Observer where they missed out all of the relevant information from an article about a trans prisoner:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/01/marie-dean-story-shows-there-s-no-simple-answer-how-we-treat-transgender

There's some great stuff in the Spectator but from your original post I would imagine just mentioning the name of that publication will have her scrabbling for a bible and a crucifix.

It has been reported on R4 she's just missed it.

Nic Williams of Fair Play For Women was recently on the BBC PM Programme talking about the Karen White case.

Helen Watts was on BBC World at One yesterday talking about the issues at Guides

The Guardian covered the schools packs and Gaby H went to a WPUK meeting and wrote about it.

There has been coverage in The Economist (online series you can send a link), The Spectator, The New Statesman, The Sun, The Morning Star, The Times & Sunday Times etc.

The Economist is a good one to send a link to - Kristina Harrison's piece and/or Kathleen Stock

Ask her to fill in the self ID consultation. The way the questions are phrased show she is mistaken.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004

tinyurl.com/SelfIDconsult
(tiny URL Self ID consult)