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So my daughter wanted a pamper party for her fifth birthday..

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LittleMissedTheSunshine · 25/09/2018 15:46

.. and my friend's son was one of the guests and got stuck right in with the glittery nail varnish, eye shadow and blusher.

And no one said this child is really a girl!

This is how it is supposed to be right.. that a boy can play with makeup or whatever and that's ok. Not.. oh he must be a girl in the wrong body.

Well done to my friend's son who is only 4 for not conforming to gender stereotypes and getting stuck right in there with the makeup and glitter, and even more well done to my friend for supporting this without questioning his 'gender identity' in any way shape or form.

See? It can be done....

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Now100 · 25/09/2018 18:45

Surely you aren't that insecure in your opinions? I think there is definitely a feminist argument to be made about girls and women being encouraged to waste lots of time on how they look, and you arguing the opposite isn't going to stop me being a feminist.

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LittleMissedTheSunshine · 25/09/2018 17:10

I don't really get the pamper party = bad thing. Can someone explain what's wrong with playing with glitter and blusher and stuff? Why is that antifeminist, particularly if boys are doing it too?

Personally I consider myself to be a feminist and I love dressing up and playing with makeup, I don't do it cos I feel I have to to be attractive to a man as most days DH sees me with none on at all and that's fine.

The day I get told it's anti-feminist to enjoy makeup is the day I stop being a feminist.

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Trilllllian · 25/09/2018 17:07

Let’s look at how far we’ve come, maybe. But we need to read the map really carefully to end up in the right place...

On a lighter note, when my now 12yo DS was a toddler one of my NCT friends told me she’d made sure she bought ‘army green’ crocs for her DC and not bright green because her DH thought they were ‘girly’ Shock. I’d like to think I’d laugh at that and pull her up now rather than quietly seethe.

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LittleMissedTheSunshine · 25/09/2018 17:01

Elephant I know!!!

But seriously my argument is that if a transwoman is all about a man who doesn't feel able to dress up as a laydee without saying he is a woman, isn't this where it all starts?

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LittleMissedTheSunshine · 25/09/2018 16:58

Not sure what it is I am supposed to get Hideandgo.

If it's that little girls shouldn't want pamper parties then bollocks to that, she's my daughter and if she wants one then she can have one.

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Elephantinacravat · 25/09/2018 16:57

In fact, 10 years ago Mumsnet was full of "my son loves his princess dress, pink tat and glitter" threads.

Ha! I remember being a vair nice National Trust property place years ago and seeing a little boy with glittery wellies, a tutu and fairy wings and thinking 'I bet his mum is a mumsnetter'!

OP you are brave posting on Feminism Chat that your 5 year old daughter had a pamper party!

calpop · 25/09/2018 16:55

I look forward to a time when no girl wants a 'pamper party'.

Me too

Hideandgo · 25/09/2018 16:54

You really don’t get it do you.

YeTalkShiteHen · 25/09/2018 16:52

DS2 got his nails painted sparkly at the last nursery fun day we had. Nobody batted an eyelid. DD didn’t want to, so she didn’t.

dolorsit · 25/09/2018 16:50

In fact, 10 years ago Mumsnet was full of "my son loves his princess dress, pink tat and glitter" threads.

It used to annoy me because of course if your daughter was into this stuff then it was pink princess crap.

Lettera · 25/09/2018 16:47

I look forward to a time when no girl wants a 'pamper party'.

dolorsit · 25/09/2018 16:47

Yes one of daughters friends has a younger brother, up until he was about 6 he was all about Eliza. That's because his sister was. They used him for make overs too.

Thankfully I'm in a working class area so wokeness hasn't spread.