So my daughter wanted a pamper party for her fifth birthday..

When DS was in year 2 or 3 I think his best friend was a girl. They were inseperable and really good friends, went to each other's parties, etc.
In about Y5 she had a pamper party and of course he wasn't invited.
They drifted apart after that, but I suppose that's the age when boys and girls diverge.

There are some girls in DS class who have been all about the hairstyles and wearing heels and makeup at school disco since very young. Their mums are the ones who encourage this. The girls with the sensible mums are still wearing trainers and ponytails and getting as messy as the boys.

Vegan cat.

I have to say, since DD started school she’s very aware of makeup and hair and all that stuff. In fact, there’s a couple of girls in her class who were laughing at her because she doesn’t use it (she’s 5 ffs) and doesn’t care about hair styles.

Whhhhhaaaaaaattt?! That's awful.

I have to say, since DD started school she’s very aware of makeup and hair and all that stuff. In fact, there’s a couple of girls in her class who were laughing at her because she doesn’t use it (she’s 5 ffs) and doesn’t care about hair styles.

It made me really sad that at 5 it’s already got into her head, despite my best efforts.

So I do agree that socially it is a problem, if at 5 we have wee girls already being judged by their appearance.

A 4 year old who spontaneously finds the idea of putting on makeup to be a great birthday party idea is a rare child. A bit like a vegan cat you know?

Look the anti makeup thing isn't personal - do what you like. From a feminist class analysis point of view, make up - and a woman's worth being defined by meeting beauty standards - is part of the gender subjugation toolkit. In a non patriarchal society make-up could be benign.

No one will revoke anyone's feminist card for wearing make up ffs. We all make non feminist choices to get along in this patriarchal society. But I don't see how a make up party for primarily little girls is a pro feminist choice, it's not a personal attack to point this out.

I'm glad that the kids all had a nice time!

Oh Ffs, some people are so desperate to appear 'woke' 🙄

A boy child played with glitter and coloured paints ergo he's a girl

No one has said that on this thread.

Oh Ffs, some people are so desperate to appear 'woke' 🙄

A boy child played with glitter and coloured paints ergo he's a girl

Alternatively a wee boy played with glitter and coloured paints.........

This is how it is supposed to be right.. that a boy can play with makeup or whatever and that's ok. Not.. oh he must be a girl in the wrong body.
Agreed

though I think there are better uses of time

Like being sanctimonious on an internet forum.

In any case Now100 referred to women wasting time.

To be fair, I can't imagine my 5 year old knowing what that 'pamper parties' are even a thing, let alone wanting one?

LittleMissed

You're an adult, so spend as long as you like putting make up on - though I think there are better uses of time. I would question though why a group of 5-year-old girls should want to spend an entire party doing it.

LittleMissed Sorry too- x - posts!

Lass if i enjoy putting on make up, choosing make up, deciding colours etc is that a waste of time? If it's a chore, then I can maybe see your point but if I am enjoying the time spent doing it how is that a waste?

I think you have missed my point - or missed the dripping sarcasm in it. I was referring to Now100's post about spending time on how one looks being a waste of time.

I think there is definitely a feminist argument to be made about girls and women being encouraged to waste lots of time on how they look

Is the logical extension of this that no women should ever spend time on anything related to how she looks? Or is there an acceptable amount of time?

For example it takes 90 minutes every 5 weeks to cut and colour my hair- is that a waste of time? Would it be acceptable if I only spent say 15 minutes getting it trimmed every 3 months?

Is it more acceptable because my husband doesn't like the particular style so it's done to please me rather than pleasing a man?

These are rhetorical questions as I could not care less whether what I'm doing is anti- feminist or not.

sorry about the typing!

It works boths ways of coyrse. Inhave a friend who says, if my son wants a football party, he'll have one! Which is fine of xourse, but invite the girls! Lots of girls like and play football.. Lots of boys dont like football.

My main objection is that it "others" the girls. They weren't 0 a thing when my older children were at school but in my youngest's class, from year 1, manybif the girls hived off and did "pamper parties" which the boys werent invited to. Many of the boys, my sonbincluded, woukdnhave loved tonhave gone! The boys continued having whole coass parties for awhile but then the paremts of the biysbthought sod this, im not paying for all these girls who dont invite my son and now, in year 3, its pamper parties for the girls and football/climbing etc parties for the boys. Inthink its sad, especially as my son is, or was, friendly with many of the girls.

It reinforces gender stereotypes imo because, no matter what people say on here, no y3/4 pamper party will include any boys in the class. As we all know, its rigid gender stereotyping thats got us to the position we are in today with the trans agenda and the harm being done to women. What happened to the parties we all had in the 70s and 80s where girls and boys were invited?

I don't think 'pamper' parties are appropriate for children - well, for girls, as I don't suppose boys have them. It feels uncomfortably close to sexualisation.

Oh I'm feeling all nostalgic now for the old make up wars.

No I'm not really