Girlguiding Issue coming up Good Morning Britain

Being inclusive is not always fair or equitable and I'd argue that it's not necessarily a good in and of itself.

Allowing male bodies into female spaces may be inclusive but it compromises the safety, privacy and dignity of women and girls and in fact will lead to the exclusion of many of those females. It also means sex segregation no longer exists.

Thanks Turf.

Bespin you are demonstrating a clear lack of understanding with regards to safeguarding.

Girl Guides themselves state:

“we do allow volunteers’ [male] family members to attend residential events. Such requests are carefully considered by the local commissioner and as a part of the mandatory risk assessment or any trips.”

Even the shitshow that is Girl Guiding recognises the need for risk assessment with regards to the inclusion of male children.

The fact that you do not is worrying.

There seems to be an assumption that teenage transgirls won't be sexually aroused in the presence of their female peers and are therefore no threat. How does that work? If the transgirl is heterosexual, why wouldn't their body experience the same involuntary arousal responses as their male peers?

I really do want it to be the best for all girls and an inclusive society that protect all young people is what will do that risk is managed on an individual basis and in young people is very complex

That won't be possible in an organisation like guides while it expels leaders who want to discuss managing a clear safeguarding risk.

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VickyEadie no children are never inherently abusive we make them like that they are often victims of neglect and trauma or exposed to a society where sexualisation is becoming the norm I you wish to address abusive young poeple then I would start there And in the meantime throw out all safeguarding principles? Just because one element of an issue is important doesn’t mean other areas are not equally as pressing. What an incredibly naive and immature way to look at the world.

It's not just about risk. It's about the privacy and dignity of women and girls in intimate situations. Which you support, right?

Ereshkigal all your arguments are simply based on your perspective and none on any of the evidence or experiances of those who know exactly what the risks are. its a fixed view

Thanks Turf do you have a screenshot?

Bespin Tue 25-Sep-18 09:26:26

I really do want it to be the best for all girls

That doesn't include boys, no matter how you try to spin it.

It’s an advert for Stonewall.

Bespin are there elements of this discussion that you feel we should be allowed to talk about?

I really do want it to be the best for all girls

Then you support the right of women and girls as a sex class to privacy and dignity.

Of course you do. Right?

Victoria Derbyshire talking about bi phobia. Ruth Hunt on now.

Just no. Male teenage bodies do NOT get to share accommodation with female teenage bodies. For the sake of the female teenager’s dignity, privacy and safety from sexual harassment and assault. What will the Guides do when a load of pisstaking boys join up claiming to be girls deliberately so they can bunk in with teenage girls? (i’m couching this so I don’t get deleted )

Here's Jane also appearing to confirm that Jane has advised the Guides. twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1039790715788845056

I really do want it to be the best for all girls and an inclusive society that protect all young people is what will do that risk is managed on an individual basis and in young people is very complex

Right I'm just pointing out that Helen posts all kinds of unverified nonsense on her Twitter, it's full of retweets of perverts and paedophiles, she never found a TRA she didn't like

I'm sure. I can see her tweets now but haven't always been able to.

Said on another thread but a few of GGUK trustees work at the BBC or have professional links....Just throwing that out there....

all girls have a right to privacy and dignity and you don't see trans girls as girls others do and therefore they are all entitled to this. any girl that did not respect that would be a issue

They're male. Women and girls have s right to privacy and dignity in intimate situations. So do men and boys.

VickyEadie no children are never inherently abusive we make them like that they are often victims of neglect and trauma or exposed to a society where sexualisation is becoming the norm I you wish to address abusive young poeple then I would start there

no you keep making it about abuse and sexualisation of children. your arguments fall apart as you are trying to make this fit and only consider hetronormative narratives

No. We keep making it about what's best for girls.

Any reason you don't want it to be about what's best for girls?

Child or adult.

Right I'm just pointing out that Helen posts all kinds of unverified nonsense on her Twitter, it's full of retweets of perverts and paedophiles, she never found a TRA she didn't like