Writing workshop for women and what happens...

Fucks sake is literally everyone falling over themselves to comply with this bollocks thinice. My eyes are so tired from rolling these days.

That's how I see it. We can't have anything for ourselves. This Posie Parker video said everything I want to say.

Sorry. looks a bit random. It struck me as another example of women not being able to have anything in the arts world of our own.

Saw this today.

"Boudica Festival returns for a second year, this time to the The Herbert Art Gallery & Museum, Coventry, where we will showcase the best up and coming women in music.

Over the two day festival, join a weekend of music, films and exhibitions which celebrates inspirational female* and non-binary performers across the music industry. Saturday features specially curated live music set over two stages. We show the best up and coming female performers from a variety of genres, followed by DJs.

• The definition of female, in the context of this initiative, encompasses all those who identify as women"

Boudicca. Gave birth to two daughters from her female womb. Watched them get raped by men. Wreaked vengeance and became a heroine for women throughout time. Now co-opted for anyone with ladyfeels.

Fermats I knew it must have been thought of before, it's too obvious! Averagewoman I clearly can't take any credit here, but thank you

I'm old enough to remember the women's groups in the late 70s where women looked up their fanjos with a mirror... funny to think that would be outlawed now, not on any grounds except it's discriminatory!

If you had a group to discuss your own cervixes, there would be complaints. Nah - Jess would be there with her impossible cervix

Contessa, Fermats - brilliant! Really

and keep his work as a surprise for us at the end! Isn't that when you remember you have to leave early/left the cooker on?

If you had a group to discuss your own cervixes, there would be complaints.

Contessas - that might work, specially the cover domesticity event (I remember a sci-fi book where the resistance set up as a fake religion, and screen out fifth columnists by accepting them as accolytes - but making them do all the really shitty things accolytes to a real religious community would have to do, like living on gruel and sleeping in monastic cells and getting up at 3.00am to pray until they get bored and go home.)

It sounds like the way to have a women-only group is to advertise it as open to all, but with a relatively dull-sounding (I.e. domestic, ironing, stain removal etc) bias. Then once the women sign up, they get an email explaining that it's a cover for the awesome main event that's not boring at all. Of course there should also be a proper domesticity event to serve as a cover for any weirdos who actually enjoy that sort of thing there's a thought - do any transwomen ever say how they've always enjoyed cleaning, even as children? Rather odd how you still need a vagina to be naturally gifted at sweeping....

just because they say they are women they are not women in the eyes of the law without a certificate that they seem on the whole not to have , possibly because they don't have the mental illness that was traditionally associated with trans before it became demedicalised Now whilst asking for a certificate as proof in general is to be despised, if there was an obvious candidate, say someone who clearly doesn't meet the criteria because they change identity on a day by day basis, then it's is fairly obvious that legally they are still a man and so we then have a case that other men are being unfairly discriminated against ok it seems odd to argue for women's rights be arguing for men's rights, but we needed to side with Russia in ww2. Sorry the no paragraph bug hitting me here

Flummoxed and deeply, deeply sad.thank you for letting me know.subscription cancelled

Indeed...but surely that is illegal? Has the organisation involved been informed that they are discriminating against many men illegally once they accept self id ? I am sure that it is fear of litigation and an expectation that women won't actually take them to court that is behind some of the absurdities. That and misogyny

@PenguinRoar - this is in the rules for the Mslexia Women's Fiction - Novella: You do not have to subscribe to Mslexia to be eligible, but you do have to identify as a woman.

Mslexia has cavedwww.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3371192-Mslexia-has-caved

@PenguinRoar I'm sure there was a thread about Mslexia recently, and their policy change on this.

There was a man in the group I joined for women coming out as lesbians. Probably common now but this was in 1998.

ultimately slightly tedious lego movie franchise are male What are you on about? Whatever point you're trying to make is made so poorly that it's been lost on me, I'm afraid.

@hollowtalk can you point me to where they have published that? Can’t see any change to comp rules etc. On their site.i will be unbelievably disappointed in they have ceded the floor on this.

Didn't you see that person who won the Business Woman of the Year, when they'd worked as a man for decades?