Trans debate BBC 5live post 9am TODAY Mon 24th Sept

I just went on the 5Live twitter and see a nice ad for GenderGP - "If anyone would like more information about GenderGP or to discuss in confidence how we can support your transition please get in touch."

Someone said that 'the transphobe' who was invited to speak pulled out? Anyone know if that's true?

How many times was the word 'sex' used by anyone in that discussion? I don't recall hearing it once.

Helen Webberley saying this bunch of people on the radio are brilliant because they are all advocates or people whose lives have really been affected. This last bit by Helen should be transcribed Rowan, yes.

Yes thanks Datun. That part is being missed and the idea that it's unchristian to not want to be part of it.

This was clearly a total waste of time. Their agenda was decided - uncritical fawning - and no dissenting voices are to be heard except for one extreme text and a couple more one-liners shoe-horned in as an afterthought, but with full deference given to Webberley.

I'm aghast that she's been allowed to say 'no-one's being hurt by this'. AGHAST.

Nicky Campbell has always had a bit of a streak of viciousness towards what he perceives to be 'conservative' ideas

it seemed that Nicky Campbell has a 'bit of a streak of viciousness' towards feminism and mention of the patriachy.

I phoned. They told me they supposedly had no gender-critical feminists contacting them?

'We' will be his wife. I would if a man came to my church dressed in his fetishy retirement drag clothes. I tell ya.

"we debate all things"

THIS IS NOT A FUCKING DEBATE, IT'S A PROPAGANDA STITCH UP

Has that presenter ever actually lived in the real world?

Does he know what a transvestite even is? Do people think that transvestites are wearing female clothes for no bloody reason. Do they not understand it's a turn on ? It's a sexual motivation.

Presenter now defending holding a 'debate'. I must have missed that bit.

"It's good to debate" - you're not debating, you're all agreeing

Nicky Campbell has always had a bit of a streak of viciousness towards what he perceives to be 'conservative' ideas. You can see this bias quite clearly on the televised debate style programmes he's done over the years.
He perceives the trans push as tres progressive, therefore has completely shut down any critical response to it. He's the old man of the wokebros, basically.

Do they include gender non conforming feminists under the trans umbrella? Can we all claim to be trans now - and people start listening to us?

Current man is fluid so a man or woman on different days. Asked about how this works he says that at work he was always a man, but now he is retired he 'presents as Elaine' in some situations such as going to church. First church he came out to was hostile. 'Not very Christian' says Nicky. Dude says he is now spending his retirement reeducation churches. He says 'we' - I missed who else he refers to, is it his wife?

This person is now referring to themself as 'we'!

He is re-educating church communities.

The last couple of callers are talking about social not medical 'trans' - which is just accepting non conformity, which is an area we seem to agree on.

A report this week in the Times, gave details of which universities were the least socially inclusive. Top of the list were Oxford, Cambridge and St Andrews. Then other Russell Group universities.

Now the criticism levelled at the media in recent weeks is the sheer number of journalists who have come from private schools. And if they haven't gone to a private school, the chances are they came from a Russell group uni background.

This of course is absoluetely nothing to do with this thread.

At all.

On now, how terrible and debilitating it is to be gender fluid. People clearly don't have any real life problems to worry about.

OK now it's just a 'choice' how to present each day.

The BBC has adopted self ID as editorial policy. Just in case anyone is wondering about this car crash.

'Its my choice'

That comes from a mumsnetter who made a call, who recommended it. Both get logged.

O is it Philip Bunce?

People need 'to get a grip'

They presumably access all areas.

gender non conforming boys being forced to be in the boys group when they don't want to be - thats how Helen wants people to see this. Instead of seeing it as girls being forced to accept boys into the girls group I mean.