Trans debate BBC 5live post 9am TODAY Mon 24th Sept

Red I don't think so. They presented her as the pinnacle of expertise on this subject.

To an AWA who uses transprop, 'claiming trans doesn't exist' means 'refusing to accept that gender is more significant than sex and can actually override it'.

If you do not believe that a man can feel so strongly inside that he is a woman, that he actually is a woman, then you are claiming that 'trans doesn't exist'. It's their version of the cry 'Heretic!'

It's essentially the flat earth society sneering at the rest of us for pointing out that the earth is a slightly squished globe and doesn't actually have corners.

If you EVER wanted to see evidence that this is an ESTABLISHMENT PROJECT with full backing of the powers-that-be (not a grass-roots bottom-up endeavour), then this piece is it.
They couldn't even put ONE actual gender-critical voice on.

Did the BBC at any point make clear that Helen Webberly is still under investigation?

Yes it’s too soon Datun - it normally takes a couple of hours.

More summing up from Helen W:

"Whose hurting anybody, noone being hurt by this, only those people who are trying to stand up and have their own place in society. It's not doing any harm at all so let's all live together"

Thanks SwearyG. I did download the app. But the programme is unavailable.

I'm hoping it's because it's too soon.

With any amount of luck, Helen will be able to get the actual issues across. Not the mythical, pretend issues the trans-activists deem transphobic.

" and also we are not debating whether transgender exists or not - that debate is finished"

No-one in the history of ever has denied the evidence of their own eyes and said THAT PERSON DOES NOT EXIST! CAN'T SEE YOU! YOU'RE NOT THERE!

I have literally no idea what they mean when they claim that people have said they don't exist.

Do they not know what "doesn't exist" means? Have they changed the meanings of those words too without consulting anyone?

"He says 'we' - I missed who else he refers to, is it his wife?"

Probably like the "royal we"

Sometimes bloke is "dave" sometimes "bertha" or whatever
Two different people
You can tell because one likes to wear women's underwear and the other doesn't

Therefore, refers to themselves as "we".

Easy, see.

Should that person and pips / phil bunce be entitled to 2 votes in elections, 2 sets of state pension etc? I say YES YES YES we should "Do what they want" see easy peasy.

That was dire. Absolutely dire.

Debate is another word Helen Webberley doesn't know the meaning of.

Helen, are you still under sanctions by the GMC?

Datun you need to download the app otherwise you have to pay for it.

"This morning has been so refreshing because we're not here with some people who are always standing up saying (mocking voice) 'transgender people shouldn't exist'. We've got a group of people whose lives are affected by transgender issues, we've got professionals, we've got some advocates, and also we are not debating whether transgender exists or not - that debate is finished. What we're debating is how to welcome these people into our society and the hatred some people are facing, how to educate those who don't understand, and that's what this morning has been about and it's been extremely refreshing to be part of that, this group, today's debate"

Fuck the fuck right off. This is not a debate, because nobody who is critical about the ideology or talking basic facts.
This was propaganda.

"gender non conforming boys being forced to be in the boys group when they don't want to be - thats how Helen wants people to see this. Instead of seeing it as girls being forced to accept boys into the girls group I mean."

The other thing that NEVER happens is a suggestion that maybe boys and men should stop being such dicks to other boys and men who do not adhere to gender role.

How many times was the word 'sex' used by anyone in that discussion? I don't recall hearing it once.

The doctor said this was a bit tricky!

Oh but nobody just wakes up and decides their gender on that day?

Helen Watts was on LBC ?

How do I get catch up radio. I'm having no luck

R0wan, oh, I don't disagree. But I think that's because in his mind he pitched himself as a progressive liberal and sees actual Feminism and fighting against the Patriarchy as a bit passé. He's a 'cutting edge type.

Rubbish. Either they're lying or the programme revealed information it shouldn't have.

Dr Webberley 'no-one is being hurt'
BBC article 2017 'GP probed for giving child, 12, gender-change hormones'

(extract)
"A Monmouthshire GP is being investigated over complaints about her giving gender-change hormones to children as young as 12.

Dr Helen Webberley has been restricted from treating transgender patients unsupervised while the General Medical Council (GMC) looks into the case.

The Abergavenny-based GP said there had been no adverse finding against her.

The GMC said it would only comment on investigations if and when they reached tribunal stage.

The investigation was launched after two GPs complained to the GMC about Dr Webberley's private clinic, which specialises in gender issues.

She told the BBC she had given cross-sex hormone treatment to one 12-year-old and three 15-year-olds, despite NHS guidelines that they be given at about 16 or over." (continues)

www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-41213534