Trans debate BBC 5live post 9am TODAY Mon 24th Sept

Yeah it wasn't a debate as they were not considering any opposing views to TWAW!

Nicky Campbell says it was an 'exploration' not a debate:

twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1044130816417304577

That was a incoherent 'debate'. I'm none the wiser.

The BBC are skirting around safeguarding by getting Webberly in.

I think that the BBC as an organisation is in danger of disappearing up its own arse. I can see them sitting on their beanbags and earnestly discussing what the ignorant general public need educated about next.

How interesting, listening to Campbell saying that mimicking a mincing walk is incredible offensive and yet we have the NHS paying for men to learn how to do a mincing walk.

Good point. Shame the BBC allowed no one with a gender critical view on to make it.

How interesting, listening to Campbell saying that mimicking a mincing walk is incredible offensive and yet we have the NHS paying for men to learn how to do a mincing walk.

Thought this programme was a load of wank, no 'debate' at all as they were too scared to look at the GC view.

I asked my 7 year old how you told the difference between a man and woman (after explaining some men like to dress as women and referring to window twankey/ ugly sisters etc which he has seen at panto time) and he said 'a man has a winky and a lady has a fanny' why is it my son can get this simple fact which eludes so many others - then again wasn't it a child who called out the emporer's new clothes?

Listening in to the recording, she's on about being given a gender at birth. I didn't get one. Where is it? Is there a gender tracing service available?

Interesting how Campbell is a bit sneery at Webberly but sucks up to Alexa(?) They both sound equally as daft.

Thanks R0wan. It is just a little confusing when you have a peek at the register.

Someone working in the NHS like from GIDS or Charing Cross would be far preferable

Dr Helen Webberley:
"My LHB (local health board) have been advised of the large number of complaints that have been made to the GMC about me by the consultants at Charing Cross and the GIDS"

Webberley isn't suspended, AFAIK. She has conditions, which I believe means she can still work but has to be closely supervised.

See previous extracts from the Gender GP website which explains current situation

Is it true you have been suspended?
My LHB (local health board) have been advised of the large number of complaints that have been made to the GMC about me by the consultants at Charing Cross and the GIDS. They have temporarily suspended my ability to work as an NHS GP in Wales.
gendergp.co.uk/queries/

I stand ready to cede all national, international, global, universal, star system, galactic, and intergalactic rights to you for a contraceptive device that fits on the clitoris that functions like a penis.

My laugh-out-loud moment for the day.

Anyway back to topic, have linked the other thread if anyone feels like being both boggled and gobsmacked (and also worried about why people with political ideas to push and made up assertions about biology that are not true, are being given the support including funding to "educate" the nations children!).

"It will never happen the first time."

Ah but this was always what poeple said to each other, not what the "experts" said, including ones educating children.

The FACT that the clitoris and penis are basically the same except for size, and everyone lies somewhere in teh middle (ie most human beings have a 2.5 inch penis?) is on the website of a group that has been set up specifcally to aducate children on sex and is sponsored by DUREX lololol I mean you couldn't make it up!

Link to thread with site for resources for children giving some very, um, interesting ideas about bodies and sex

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3357713-BISH-proudly-supported-by

But they really shouldn't be putting her on the media like this as an "unbiased expert," quite frankly. Someone working in the NHS like from GIDS or Charing Cross would be far preferable.
If they insist on Helen, then they should be putting in at least one question regarding her credibility - because it was her conduct in this specific subject (trans) that got her investigated.

That there is "basically no difference" between a clitoris and a penis apart from how far it extends from the body > smaller to larger

I can't speak for DWS but I stand ready to cede all national, international, global, universal, star system, galactic, and intergalactic rights to you for a contraceptive device that fits on the clitoris that functions like a penis.

Because, it's not as if there isn't a shed-load of ignorance around contraception understanding when it comes to young people.

"It will never happen the first time. Especially if you're standing-up. And you're wearing a condom on the clitoris..."

Webberley isn't suspended, AFAIK. She has conditions, which I believe means she can still work but has to be closely supervised.

• Nicky Campbell, not Clark

Do the BBC not understand that Wibberley is suspended?

Either they don't (which they should)

or they are endorsing her (which they shouldn't)

"Its not hurting anybody."

I hope someone on Twitter tweets Nicky Clarke with this statement and a picture of the flayed arm of that poor girl getting phalloplasty.

And the fact that Webberley sterilised a 12-year-old girl. Fucking 12 years old.

Do the BBC not understand that Wibberley is suspended?

"deepwatersolo wrote: One can only admire how efficiently most people manage contraception - even those without a university degree in STEM! Geniuses every single one of them.

As a thought experiment and assuming you're wrong, DWS, should we now seize the amazing idea that we should market a range of condoms for the lady peen? Purely to ensure the non-transmission of sexually-transmitted diseases, you understand. Nothing to do with contraception because, those are dangerous waters and a tricky biological area. Except when it comes to understanding the transmission of sexual disease."

HOLD ON A MINUTE.

This all sounds very wrong to me.

I have it on good authority from a organisation that educates children on issues around sex and gender

That there is "basically no difference" between a clitoris and a penis apart from how far it extends from the body > smaller to larger

With most people lying "somehwhere in the middle" from these two extremes of size.

Come ON people get with the program.

*"Biological sex is a tricky one"

One can only admire how efficiently most people manage contraception - even those without a university degree in STEM! Geniuses every single one of them.*

Or how farmers have managed to tell cows from bulls for probably millenia.