Is Eva Wiseman sending a coded message of support

I like Deborah too. Especially as she has decided to spill the beans on her split with Selfish.

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This is me right now

Laughing out loud at pachyderm's imagine of the "stout bovine types in floral pinnies". There's a whole debate to be had about why young women hate mothers so much.

I quite like Deborah Orr. She was sacked by the Guardian when they relaunched as a tabloid and my understanding is she doesn't have much income at the moment, especially since her acrimonious split with Self.

That article really annoyed me. “The secret life of women”, FFS. Like we’re some rare and exotic species with bizarre and unfathomable ways, not over half the human race who happen to use messageboards to talk about anything and everything that interests us.

Definitely cool girl stuff. Look at me, I’m clever and interesting and not like all those silly airhead women who only talk about birth and breastfeeding!

Mumsnet is one of the most intelligent corners of the web, and anyone who’s spent any time at all on here knows we talk about anything and everything. The fact that misogynistic newspapers only pick up on certain themes like sexual weirdnesses or sharing about periods, isn’t a fair representation of the site. Not that there’s anything wrong with talking about those things either.

The Cool Girls have this weird retro image of mothers as stout bovine types in floral pinnies with clothespegs in the side of our mouths and no other thoughts in our heads but the shepherd's pie in the oven and potty training.

I used to know someone like this. She was convinced that she was not like all the other (boring, un-kinky, unfeminist) mums because she started dyeing her hair Manic Panic colors in her 40s.

Nah, she's trying to pretend to actually care about women who aren't her.

It's not working. Particularly for those familiar with her previous writing.

Pachyderm nails it absolutely.

Eva if you are reading you are no different to any of us bar the fact that you inexplicably have a column in a newspaper which I used to read. If anyone is dangerously putting themselves out there it is you. We are anonymous you are not. Durrr

I find Deborah Orr just as irritating as the rest of them.

I wouldn't put Deborah Orr in the same category as the woke women at all - totally different generation and background. And a decent journalist.

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Sorry link.

And on the topic of Guardian female hacks here is Deborah Orr wittering on about Fenella Fielding. ( it's the Indie but her natural habitat is The Guardian)I'm not criticising the praise for Fenella Fielding - it's the patronising tone of "gosh- who'd a thunk there was more to FF than what I in my wisdom allowed" ?

Well me , for one with you telling me Mrs Self. (And I have zero interest in you airing your squabbling with Mr Self)

And her picture hasn't changed in years

Good, point

jaysus

i wish i was a special woman like eva

one who understands that other people can read what i write on mumsnet and it's not top secret

instead i'm just a bovine, ordinary mother

hackmum I do. They ate her liver, with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

The Cool Girls have this weird retro image of mothers as stout bovine types in floral pinnies with clothespegs in the side of our mouths and no other thoughts in our heads but the shepherd's pie in the oven and potty training. Even the ones who have kids themselves; it's like "mums" doesn't include them because they are different and special, not part of the common herd. It's disappointing and very antifeminist.

Mumsnet is her secret pleasure. Like someone who sneaks into Greggs

My secret pleasure is the Ronnie van Zandt version of Lynyrd Skynyrd- now that really is an admission. ( in mitigation that version of the band were supporters of Jimmy Carter and gun control)

It is patronising drivel. Wiseman is just one of the many pointless female opionion piece writers The Guardian and The Observer use.

I gave up reading most of them around the time Kathryn Flett (Flanagan) was boring everyone to tears about getting divorced and being Kathryn Flett again about a fortnight after she was married and had previously been boring on about getting married.

Frankly reading the article by Jeremy Clarkson in today's Sunday Times on why Sylvia the musical was a crap idea is a better use of one's time.

And for the record, I didn't see the point of Lucy Mangan.

Don’t know if she is. Can’t tell from this flimsy article. What is her point? In my experience we don’t “keep quiet about childbirth”, we tell anyone and everyone about each birth we have, it is that momentous. Usually though, we tell each other. Unless of course we write it up as self-indulgent twaddle for a woke newspaper.

She got her arse handed to her. Didn't Eryshigal call her ' the ultimate cool girl'?

Me too Crackpots

That should read “remember when”.

pachyderm Do you remowhen Laurie Penny came on here? She was unbelievably condescending. It’s amazing that women who call themselves feminists seem to imagine that when mothers come together to talk, we’re only going to be interested in babies and bitching about other women.

The idea that our specialist subject is "the secret lives of women" is the really patronising bit. 1) We're well aware that what we post here isn't 'secret' thanks for your concern Eva, and 2) many of us know stuff about e.g. our professions or areas of study etc over and above what we read on here.

Good grief.

Oh yes. I get it from other women when I mention I use it. Rather MN that boasting about my hollybobs on FB

The casual contempt people have for Mumsnet takes my breath away sometimes. It's misogyny in plain sight.

Puzzled at what gives EW the idea she can patronise mumsnetters. She's just another overpromoted metropolitan Polly Filler churning out forgettable fluff, the Guardian is full of them.

Think not thing!