Guides twitter

That Twitter feed is the best thing I've read in ages - it's cheered me up no end tonight.

I loved the fact that several people mentioned David Challenor in this context.

I had a volunteer role with a national charity which involved a lot of contact with the London HQ. I hadn't come across the term 'woke' back then (the start of 2018) but I can see now it was that attitude that pissed me off so much that I quit.

"That's really helpful but.." was a favourite phrase, when they wanted you to stop asking awkward questions.

SpyChase - This is shady. Sorry, but this doesn’t apply to every staff member, many ARE volunteers and PARENTS and many DO NOT agree with half the crap that’s going on. They very much do give a fuck but if they speak up? well... look what happens to the volunteers.

The difference is that paid employees are protected by law from unfair dismissal if they blow the whistle. Volunteers are not. Whistleblower protection starts from the first day of employment, unlike most other employment rights which don't kick in until you've been employed somewhere for 2 years.

I recognise that it's a huge ask and still a risky thing to do, but if there were any paid staff who were prepared to speak up it could make a big difference - precisely because they can't be got rid of as easily as volunteers.

I would trust the Hey Duggee Squirrels safeguarding policy (and attitude toward badges) more than "Girl"guiding at the moment.

Have a relative who worked at the UK HQ for a while - lots of fairly young, trying to look socially concious and inclusive staffing... this being the result.

Safeguarding concerns, recent threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3353658-AIBU-to-be-shocked-that-the-NSPCC-cancelled-their-Facebook-Live-session-with-Mumsnetters-because-they-didnt-like-the-questions-That-they-cant-explain-why-they-arent-putting-children-in-danger

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/a3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

I'm wondering whether the leadership at a county and regional level have been contacted? To be honest the staff don't make the policy, the senior volunteers do and this starts with county and regional commissioners.
I can't for the life of me believe that the entire decision making structure of the GGA is on board with all of this!

Pretty sure GG don't offer badges in cybercrime or how to sew your own babyfur costume.

It’s unbelievable isn’t it? It must be deliberate.

We’ve got something for #EveryGirl

Yeh, including those with a penis!

Yes. Thinking about Aimee Challenor as a teenage delinquent investigated for cyber crime by the police. I hardly think Girl Guides would have been suitable.

I've not seen a positive comment so far. Brilliant PR move there, GG.

The sad thing is that I honestly don't think in many cases the male people pushing for entry into orgs like GG even really want to be part of those orgs. They just don't want girls to have male free spaces where they can feel comfortable and develop confidence. It's pure spite in many cases.

Must be f king great to be born with balls!*

Getting better all the time thanks to Stonewall!

It’s not just fellow ‘girl’ guides who can join but trans leaders.

More young impressionable girls being told what to do by a —wo—man.

Must be f* king great to be born with balls!

I like this forum. I like Mumsnet. I do understand I should speak out.

However, I also want this thread to stay. It's important that people should see this.

I shall be writing to my MP about this as a further example of Safeguarding and the proposed GRC consultation. I keep adding to the letter. Perhaps I should warn her it's going to be in two parts because there are so many examples now.

I find it very worrying that people are afraid to speak out for fear of being banned or losing their jobs, I understand your worries but if adults refuse to speak out how can we encourage our girls to do the same?

All the leadership positions in these third sector orgs are recruited from a small pool of interconnected pomo-addled nitwits who graduated from elite universities

The same pool who populate our political parties, thinktanks, lobbyists and media organisations.

What I really want to say I can't because I will probably face a ban.

But I do agree with SpyChase

It is terrible that those paid staff who are also volunteers/parents are not being supported up to management/ executive level.

That's two Twitter threads at least this weekend absolutely brimming with people wanting to have their say - GG and Credit Suisse (Phil Bunce). Good

They very much do give a fuck but if they speak up? well... look what happens to the volunteers

Thank you for clarifying.

That twitter feed is going well for them, isn't it?

Seriously, GG, if you're taking girls on camping trips with communal showers, and there's a chance that a teen girl, already embarrassed about her developing body, is being expected to shower with a teen with penis and balls, regardless of how the teen with penis and balls identifies, then you have a problem. The solution, btw, is to allow sex segregation (as permitted by the Equalities Act), not send the teen girl to the gulag for re-education.

And certainly not to sack the GG leaders who have given years, or in some case decades, of their lives to volunteering for you, who point out that the obvious solution is sex segregation.

Guides placed a mole into a closed social media site to 'watch' an adult person of concern to them because that person brought up safeguarding issues.

This is absolutely disgusting. They could have met with her, consulted with Fair play for Women, spoken to parents - entered into some sort of dialogue as though they actally cared just a tiny bit about the girls, guiders and parents that they the organisation is all about - instead they decided to spy on a the leaders and made opaque policy decisions with the help of bloody Stonewall.

They don't give a fuck about empowering girls like the volunteers, the girls and the parents do. Just watching the clock until the week is over and they can get pissed at the weekend

This is shady. Sorry, but this doesn’t apply to every staff member, many ARE volunteers and PARENTS and many DO NOT agree with half the crap that’s going on. They very much do give a fuck but if they speak up? well... look what happens to the volunteers.

They have jobs to keep, and need to put food on the table. Just like you.

All the leadership positions in these third sector orgs are recruited from a small pool of interconnected pomo-addled nitwits who graduated from elite universities.

Then there needs to be a cultural change pronto, encouraging volunteers to feed into policies and encouraging them to take up paid positions and offering free training to do so in return for their service. Arrogant, entitled pomo nitwits not welcome.

Guides placed a mole into a closed social media site to 'watch' an adult person of concern to them because that person brought up safeguarding issues. Outrageous!

This action alone is a HUGE safeguarding issue when you consider many men pretend to be younger than they are to meet up with young people, mainly girls, for the purpose of raping them.

So pleased with the replies on that twitter feed. Both my daughters were in Brownies and Guides and they really enjoyed the social aspect of it. Such a sad day that it has come to this.

That intended slap in the face has spectacularly backfired.

Look at the replies on the twitter feed

Unanimous. And angry.