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poshme · 23/09/2018 13:18

Can't believe the guides twitter feed.

They include this about girls attitude towards their bodies.

'We need to protect young women' but not from boys.

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R0wantrees · 24/09/2018 00:27

p21 Yorkshire Mesmac is recipient of one of the grants:
Towards the salary of the project
co-ordinator and costs of BLAST, a
project supporting boys and young
men affected by child sexual
exploitation.

Also noticed Women in Prisons is also a recipient:
£15000 (over 3 years)
Towards core costs to support
women in the criminal justice
system, enabling their voices to
be heard and reducing the number
of women in prison

Women in Prisons should in theory be the charity standing up for the female prisoners assaulted / at risk from male-born convicted rapists. They don't seem to have been at all obviously vocal. It was interesting to note that TELI (I think) were putting themselves or Women in Prisons forward as the appropriate experts whilst complaining about Victoria Derbyshire discussion (with Tara Hudson)

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/09/2018 23:54

ROwan

A mesmac link?? Wtf?

R0wantrees · 23/09/2018 23:41

detailed Fairplay for Women thread with links to evidence etc:
(extract)
"Hundreds of parents signed our open letter asking @ Girlguiding to review their policy that allows boys who identify as girls to sleep in tents with other girls without telling patents. Two guide leaders have now been thrown out and their units closed

Girl Guiding refused to answer basic questions about safeguarding and parental informed consent. We cannot ignore the obvious that a trans child who identifies as a girl is still a male child with a body

This issue is not that a child might be trans. It is because they are MALE. We separate males & females for good reasons. When a male child IDs as a girl those reasons do not change. Parents must to be allowed to give their consent but they are denied.

The @ NSPCC says child on child sexual abuse accounts for 1/3 of all sexual abuse. Most of the perpetrators are boys, most of the victims are girls. We all know this truth. As adult can't close our eyes to these risks.

But when we asked CEO @ PeterWanless of @ NSCC for help we were turned away. NSPCC also follow the mantra that 'transgirls are girls'. No one will acknowledge the obvious that transgirls are also MALE. We don't say this to be unkind. We say it b/c risk assessments need the facts

We have raised this issue many times" (continues)

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1043739310325936129.html

R0wantrees · 23/09/2018 23:32

DrEm Girl Guides & Gendered Intelligence :

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1043921886596550657

R0wantrees · 23/09/2018 23:28

From The Gendered Intelligence link above:
(extract)
"With strong working relationships across sectors, including but not limited to; The Science Museum, Stonewall, The Football Association, The Rugby Council, NSPCC, and the Metropolitan Police, it is unique in its widely-recognised expertise in this area. Its training and education arm, through which tailored training products generate income, enable the organisation to work with schools and universities, both in the wider context of understanding gender diversity, but also creating a referral route into the organisation for trans young people" (continues)

Charliethefeminist · 23/09/2018 23:16

Excuse me I got muddled up with Carter Ruck Blush what a dumbass

Popchyk · 23/09/2018 23:15

Gendered Intelligence also got £125K from the City of London (of Edward Lord fame?) in 2017.

democracy.cityoflondon.gov.uk/documents/s84172/e%20-%20Gendered%20Intelligence.pdf

From the report above, "GI has also secured funding from numerous grantmaking organisations such as BBC Children in Need, The Esmée Fairbairn Foundation, Tudor Trust and Henry Smith Charity for numerous projects and posts; testament to the effectiveness of this CIC".

Charliethefeminist · 23/09/2018 23:13

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R0wantrees · 23/09/2018 23:12

& Yorkshire Mesmac

Charliethefeminist · 23/09/2018 23:10

I take it back.

Popchyk · 23/09/2018 23:07

Esmee Fairbairn also gave £115K to Gendered Intelligence.

Esmee Fairbairn annual accounts 2017

Charliethefeminist · 23/09/2018 22:57

Esmee F seems great but it did give 20k to Trans Media Action which has contributed to the unquestioning media culture around this issue, and which in turn contributed to the relatively limited news coverage this assault on Girl Guides has suffered.

TimeLady · 23/09/2018 22:46

From the Esmee Fairbairn 2015 accounts lodged with the Charity Commission, p19

Girlguiding (The Guide Association) £250,000 (over three years) Towards a pilot of the Action For Change project which will empower Girlguiding’s membership to take social action.

apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends51/0000200051_AC_20151231_E_C.pdf

Action for Change:

www.girlguiding.org.uk/social-action-advocacy-and-campaigns/social-action-and-campaigns/action-for-change-campaign/

Charliethefeminist · 23/09/2018 22:28

The sad thing is that I honestly don't think in many cases the male people pushing for entry into orgs like GG even really want to be part of those orgs. They just don't want girls to have male free spaces where they can feel comfortable and develop confidence. It's pure spite in many cases*

Agree totally, but more than spite, it is a calculated move to thin out girls who will become confident challenging women. It is a deliberate move against the class of girls and women. Aggressive TRA don't give a shit about some poor boy convinced he has to try to be a girl because he likes baking. They want that female space erased.

Needmoresleep · 23/09/2018 22:07

If their ‘brand’ is tarnished, bequests will presumably start to dry up. Plus more traditional sponsors may steer clear, leaving them competing for money from the same ‘woke’ organisations as Mermaids etc.

TimeLady · 23/09/2018 22:03

Esmee Fairbairn Foundation:

esmeefairbairn.org.uk/social-change

Carrrotsandcauliflower · 23/09/2018 22:02

For a while I did think I’d keep my daughter on the waiting list and wait and see what happens- but sod that now. They are not to be trusted, I’m not even that interested in the reasons now, in presuming there are people in there who have sinister motivation. The part of Girl Guides who are making these descisions are stupid enough not to see it or complicit.

TimeLady · 23/09/2018 22:01

I was looking that up this morning, Babel

The only info from the 2016 report linked above is

Girlguiding would like to thank the following for their generous support of the charity in 2016. • The trusts and foundations which supported our work with girls and young women across the UK, including players of the People’s Postcode Lottery, the Pears Foundation, the Esmée Fairbairn Foundation, the Bernard Sunley Charitable Foundation, the Dudley and Geoffrey Cox Charitable Trust and Rosa. • HM Government for funding our youth programme via the Tampon Tax Fund. • Our corporate partners who helped us to empower more girls to reach their full potential including Tesco, PGL Travel Ltd, Pets at Home Group Plc, Cotswold Outdoor, SGN and Rolls-Royce. • The supporters who generously left a gift to Girlguiding in their will. • The families and friends who gave gifts in memory of lifelong supporters. • The runners, the trekkers, the cyclists and the bakers who gave their time and energy to raise money for Girlguiding. • Our generous and loyal supporters who have kindly given donations

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/09/2018 21:55

Is there any way of seeing individual donors? I’m wondering if any individual or foundation who pushes an agenda has donated a substantial amount to GG?

silentcrow · 23/09/2018 21:44

Please tell me Scope haven't been nobbled by this lot as well.

R0wantrees · 23/09/2018 21:18

2016 From page 5:
"Our updated Equality and
Diversity Policy was approved
by the trustees, reaffirming
our commitment to inclusion
for all girls and offering more
detailed information about
what this means. We built
new partnerships with Scope,
Stonewall and Gendered
Intelligence; we updated
our guidance on including
transgender girls and volunteers;
and we supported more
volunteers and girls to attend
Pride events than ever before,
sending a strong message that
Girlguiding truly welcomes every
girl and woman."

TimeLady · 23/09/2018 21:12

Last published accounts were for 2016

apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends16/0000306016_AC_20161231_E_C.pdf

See p32

Looks as though the 2017 accounts will be filed at the end of October this year.

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/09/2018 20:55

Is there any place to see if there have been any substantial monetary donations to GG ? Are such things disclosed?

CrackpotsArePots · 23/09/2018 20:20

I know. It's fabulously righteously angry

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