WEP/Sophie Walker statement on trans

I wonder how many of our rights the leader of the Womens’ Equality Party thinks it’s acceptable for women to lose in order to reach a satisfactory compromise? I would like someone to ask her that.

I do love Jack Appleby btw. Worth a follow.

I wonder if, in the light of the sympathetic Gilligan piece in Sunday Times - it's time for Sophie Walker to shift her backside a little more on that fence. Maybe address the issue of respectful debate and who it is who is issuing threats, going after people's livelihoods, and threatening violence.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/be-kinder-on-gender-begs-jan-morris-6xb9rrhwx?shareToken=2abb43e12525478733497af7073ef783

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I read that exchange ShotsFired. It was hilarious to see the desperation to prove we were all horrible transphobes that wouldn’t give trans people any rights, but to keep getting there criticisms contradicted by Sophie. 😆

Come on Sophie, woman up a bit more and say what you're thinking. It'll feel like a weight has been lifted.

They came around and canvassed my house at the last election. DH just took a leaflet and sent her away. I was a bit upset because I would have liked to speak to her about self ID as what they hear on the doorstep is a big influencer.

Yeah all this will she won't she is getting really boring now. Give me a women's liberation party led by women who are really fucking sure what a woman is and that's when I'll start getting enthusiastic.

But at least that shows something of the conflict is becoming recognised. I don't see that much of a compromise is possible: it seems to be women are a biological sex and entitled to spaces based on biology, or women are just a performance of feminity and anyone performing stereotypes is a woman.

Re: the news of the cancellation of Sept. 28 WPUK Meeting in Leeds - Sophie Walker shifts her position slightly on the fence to tweet:

She knows what kind of flack she'll get for that.

Re: the news of the cancellation of Sept. 28 WPUK Meeting in Leeds - Sophie Walker shifts her position slightly on the fence to tweet:

Women should have the right to meet and discuss changes to the law that will affect them. It is not transphobic to ask questions and we will not resolve valid questions about single sex spaces by shutting down debate.

twitter.com/SophieRunning/status/1045767663555923969

Well I'm not taking the splinters out of her arse.

Annandale

You are right. I have come to that conclusion only recently.

I think if Walker believed without question TWAW, we would see her leading on that policy but holding out a 'hand of friendship' to others.

I think she is probably genuinely one who sees the GRA changes as minor. The issue may be constantly on Mn but it isn't so prominent elsewhere - i was going to say ' covered so obsessively' in the full knowledge that i am one of the obsessives. It is perfectly true that the real change, to an ability to rewrite the past and change sex legally, came in 2004. Even on MN calls to 'repeal the GRA' only appeared a few days ago that i recall and don't have much of a weight behind them even here except for me

So bloody tedious. Agree with Crack, do your job.

We must conclude that Sophie believes that TWAW

Why else would she take so much trouble to accommodate men who identify as women?

I would like her to explain.

When even the leader of WEP feels she can't centre biological women what political and civic quagmire are we in.

Quite.

I don't think there is a compromise between women who wish to keep their rights, and TRAs who wish to destroy womens rights, tbh.

What a surprise that there are no comments on the Guardian piece.

Sorry Floisme

I don't believe for a second any of them really believe in this. Maybe in her head she's thinking she can just ignore the problem till she has a bit of power and then worry about it. The problem is then the whole party is 20 year old male lesbians and their heterosexual girlfriends who don't know or give a shit about anything that affects the vast majority of the country.

It's just rilly hard being perceived to be mean. Women realise that when they start questioning the transborg. We are all socialised that way.

Flowers is right: trans women have every other party to support them. You have only one job. To supporthe women. Decide if you are up to it.

I don't understand why this is 'hard work' if you claim to centre women? Why straddling two opposing positions seems to be the end goal, according to that quote.

I'm working hard to make sure women and girls don't have to give their rights up because a 'Womans political party' thought they just weren't that significant. And I know the meaning of hard work, so we'll see how that goes.

I ❤️ Jane.

I think Sophie Walker might benefit from a chat with Jane Clare Jones who wrote this in a Twitter discussion with LGBT+ Lib Dems:

If you think Orwell would be on board with a) totalitarian thought-policing, b) rewriting history, c) forcing people to deny material reality under threat of force, and d) denunciation, you are on fucking glue.

The thread: twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1043574454633291777