Girlguiding expels leaders who question trans policy

As an aside, worth being aware that the Wiki page for Guides was edited to use 'single gender' instead of sex:

eg "Following negative publicity in "The Spectator" magazine Baden-Powell decided that a separate single-gender organisation would be best. Baden-Powell asked his sister, Agnes Baden-Powell, to form a separate Girl Guides organisation. In 1910 The Girl Guides were officially formed in the United Kingdom"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Guides

My question is - why would anyone who has an ounce of concern about girls, kick out non-conforming girls?

There are a few guide leaders enthusiastically celebrating this. Why?

(Sorry, that was ironic. He's perfectly happy in Beavers now - in fact my DD wants to join)

And they have no business 'managing out' girls who are questioning or confused about aspects of gender and/or their sexuality.

If they choose to reassert that they are a single-sex organisation, the GG will also not be able to do this.

And they have no business 'managing out' girls who are questioning or confused about aspects of gender and/or their sexuality.

No they definitely can't continue to do this.

It is officially mixed-sex.

And they have no business 'managing out' girls who are questioning or confused about aspects of gender and/or their sexuality.

Fuck's sake, what a debacle.

The Politics of New Envy indeed, RythmStix, with all its shitty consequences.

Hooray, my DS can join! He's always wanted to, since I took him on camp.

GG have the option to revisit their policies and to reassert their commitment to being a single-sex organisation

It would be usual given the ECHR guidance that there should be a meeting by trustees.
As the Girl Guides have been repeatedly stressing how important is for the girls of the movement to have their say, it should also be put to them.
Do they wish to return to being single sex, or do they wish to remain mixed-sex.
Being openly mixed sex, will of course mean exactly that. There will be no possibility of excluding boys who do not identify as transgirls.

Just seen that too R0!

Caroline Farrow confirms that , "ECHR have clarified that the Guides are allowed to segregate on the basis of sex and also asked @ Girlguiding to change their website so it clarifies they are a mixed sex organisation." twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1044488208250261504

So that's it then? Girl Guides is officially now mixed sex and must make this clear. Those who have so poorly advised the GG have succeeded after 108 years in officially bringing to an end it being a movement for girls, only girls. However the Equality Act 2010 is still in place (despite attempts to remove sex as a protected characteristic), GG have the option to revisit their policies and to reassert their commitment to being a single-sex organisation. “the ultimate feminist organisation” (Julie Bently Times interview 2012)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-are-the-ultimate-feminists-says-julie-bentley-new-head-of-girl-guides-tnqck6hxjqp

James Kirkup documented attempts to remove sex as a protected characteristic and those individuals and organisations involved: (extract)

"Some facts about the events that preceded the Government statement here that the coming consultation on the Gender Recognition Act will be narrowly drawn and not affect the Equality Act’s single sex exemptions. I offer these facts because some are claiming “there was never any question of removing/amending EA exceptions.” Those claims are either mistaken or dishonest.
August 2015
Stonewall submission to the Women & Equalities Select Committee says MPs should amend the EA to
“remove exemptions, such as access to single-sex spaces” (continues) threadreaderapp.com/thread/1004635839480164352.html?refreshed=yes

(I didn't see it, but I saw the tweets).

The other woman on is Caroline Farrow

twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1044443291280973824

Just watched on +1. It wasn't a grilling (as in not in-depth questioning) but it was a very firm pushback and got the issue over pretty well I think.

I had a look at the Trustees of GG. There are quite a few who work at the BBC, and quite a few who had formative experiences as Guides growing up. I wonder how they feel about the whole thing. And by including trans girls, aren't they abandoning their royal charter?

anyfulekno - shout out for the Molesworth reference!

I didn't see the GMB bit she was on. Did he really grill her or was it quite gentle pushback?

Bet she's in quite a bad mood now.

The next time Green is on TV it would be great if the presenter would go hard in terms of questions. She has quite an ego/temper and would probably melt down in an informative way.

Thank God my dds are not in the GG. They both loved being in Brownies and I was always so grateful to the Owls who gave up so much of their time to run it - they went camping and all kinds. Now these sterling women are being written out of history by envious males who want to muscle in on girls' safe spaces. It is nothing more or less than envy, pure and simple.

Indeed. I don't think Green would have an issue with her daughter sleeping next to boys because of any pregnancy risk. As anyfulekno, male bodies don't become pregnant even if they do have sex with penises.

Piers Morgan has a long career first as an editor of the Daily Mirror. He can spot a good story like an bloodhound and knows how to present it. But is prone to self aggrandisement and is perhaps the British mainstream journalist that is closest to Trump.

But greens kid can't get pregnant.

I don't know if it helped but I wrote to my MP last week, focussing on changes to British Gymnastics and Girl Guide policies, not least because I know that she really does care about sport for young people, and will speak her own mind. I assume others wil have done the same. I dont know if it made a difference but hey: twitter.com/KateHoeyMP/status/1044358566247911424?s=19 With the prospect of a very keenly fought general election, ordinary letters from ordinary women constituents, bringing an inssue to an insecure MPs attention, could have a real impact. We are many, they are few. And in elections that is what matters.

If she was asked Fekko she'd have to say "yes", as according to her trans girls are girls, so what's the problem for her presumably? The irony is of course that neither she nor her daughter would have the luxury of choice, they wouldn't know and won't be asked. How many times are people going to have to say they're not anti trans. They're anti one group trying to assert their feelings and "rights" over another. Especially when that group, women, have historically had to fight tooth and nail for every right connected to their biological sex, in a patriarchal society.

Would green want her child sleeping next to intact boys? I suspect not.