What's with all the transgender hate?

I got my medication and life back on track, the rugby tacking patient in my story is now my DH, I've been stable four years and have a little boy

What a wonderful next chapter. I'm so happy for you.

Panda -

Because the TRAs in twitter lie about us, come on here and make deliberately provocative posts and post screemshots out of context SpoonBender HTH

Onemorefortheroad the other reason there are so many trans related threads on here is that there are very, very few spaces where women can discuss this at all. The thought policing in academia, in public sector arenas, in cyber space at large is very disturbing; dissent from the “acceptable” line that TWAW is not even tolerated in many spaces.

Many women are deeply shocked by this. The trans issue has shown us the real depth of misogyny in our society, a depth many of us didn’t realise existed till now. This issue goes to the very roots of feminism: the relative difference in worth of males and females in the world we live in. The difference in worth of our voices, our feelings, our bodies, our boundaries, our experiences, our testimony[sic], our hysteria[sic].

What we are fighting here is the absolutely ingrained inferiority of the female sex class relative to the male sex class, an inferiority that goes back thousands of years and is embedded in all cultures worldwide.

The trans issue seems to highlight more than any other just how current that inferiority is, despite the illusion that a few decades of modern feminism have brought about radical and abiding change.

The way women are being silenced over this; ostracised, humiliated, pilloried, branded as bigots for simply standing up for our rights; deprived of our rights to single sex facilities, services and sports; condemned and vilified by other women and those who purport to advocate for the vulnerable; actually assaulted, and put in harm’s way - and consistently told to STFU about it when we try to raise concerns - this is age-old misogyny in action, at its finest, laid bare.

This THE central issue for feminism right now because if we lose this one, then women are indeed condemned to second class status in society, in law, by a sort of collective unconscious agreement that no, female people don’t really matter in the same way male people do. I’m not going along with that.

And as I said, this is one of the few spaces where women who aren’t going along with that can actually speak. Up to a point.

So speak we do. And three cheers for that.

Onemore

If you even read this thread right the ways through there are lots of links to help you understand

Tiggy: I'm not saying a man can just say they are a woman and that be it, and that isn't how it works, at least not in the uk

It's how it works in GirlguidingUK. In TopShop changing rooms. In schools that follow the AllSorts guidance. In the NUS. In many swimming pools. In many companies. In British Gymnastics.

And it is exactly why the government is currently proposing: fill in a form and change your gender.

I could, you're absolutely right.

Happy to admit that I'm fairly 'new' to the concept of feminism and a bit of a lurker on here, so was just an observation - when Iv been looking at the feminist posts to find out more in general, an awful lot seems to be focussed on trans stuff.

Seen 5 of my team mates end up with nasty injuries from playing rugby against a transwoman. That peak transed me. Another is a student of mine who clearly has poly cystic ovaries and struggles with their body is now trans as a form of rejection and distancing from her medical problems. They might find it easier if someone gave them space to vent about the social expectations placed on female bodies regarding aesthetics, and the conditions that are uniquely female instead of encouraging them to manifest their horror in their body as being trans, which is a simple sticking plaster solution to a deep and complex mental and physical health issue

www.wkbn.com/news/national-world/transgender-track-stars-win-state-championship-ignites-debate/1238813951

I understand the issues and why it's important but surely there are also other things to discuss in terms of feminism no?

(a) There are threads on other feminist issues

(b) There's nothing to stop you starting more.

But here's why this is now central to discussions on here: the very definition of 'woman' is being taken away from women. And with it go all our hard-won rights and protections - all of them.

This issue is central to feminism itself.

Onemorefortheroad. You could always start a thread about something else.

Haven't read all comments here but can see where OP is coming from. I had a look at some of the feminist threads on here and it's full of posts about trans people. I understand the issues and why it's important but surely there are also other things to discuss in terms of feminism no?

Tigbot or too busy doing his homework?

Tiggy you haven’t actually read the board have you? Because if you did, you would see how massively mistaken you are.

Tbh it’s insulting. Just read what the posts are actually about.

Panda (And what a fabulous DH )

hackmum Spot on.

^ that was to Pandemonium

Yes. We need to speak up for all women. Elderly women too. Women with dementia who cannot speak for themselves

Have you filled in the Consultation, or written to your MP. If you think you aren't articulate enough, believe me; you are

As we frequently have new posters asking this question, either in good faith or (as I suspect) not, could we have a succinct one sentence answer that we can direct them to, and then we can all move on?

I'd like to suggest: "We believe that trans rights are being used as a Trojan Horse by male sexual abusers to gain access to victims."

Obviously it's more complicated than that, and there's much more we could say, but how does it sound as an easy-to-understand summary?

Thanks, I read the feminism topic a lot.

The psychiatric hospital issues bother me obviously drawing on past experiences but the same could be true of a normal hospital, a bed bound women couldn't remove herself from that situation either. Same with prison, a friend from that same hospital stay actually ended up in prison due too alcohol and mental health issues not a violent crime. Women in prison talk about this issue and they ARE scared.

Women who need home care or care home care, who are housebound, Ill even dying if they specify female or nurses for whatever reason what is that going to even mean with this new ruling?

When I was in hospital I wasn't well enough to fight what happened to me (I don't feel traumatised by what happened I just feel angry looking back) now I am. We need to stand up for women's rights when they for whatever reason can't stand up for themselves.

(I got my medication and life back on track, the rugby tacking patient in my story is now my DH, I've been stable four years and have a little boy)

I hope to remain stable but with bi-polar that isn't guaranteed if I need inpatient treatment in the future I would like to be in a relatively safe position while receiving that care.

ducking

Sorry panda

katara

Oh goodness, great post

As the trans activist campaigns (attacks?) on women’s venues and opinions increased, so did the threads on here

And i am so thick...why didnt i put this together!

I have seen what you are referring to but have decided to keep my beak out of it until I've read more and can decide what is going on as I'm very behind in the debate. Something, I fear, you did not decide to do and are now being devoured by the nest of vipers

I like that plink...the rest of the post isnt aimed at you

I have seen posts ive cringed at and ive also seen posts that are from brand new shit stirring posters that have said some of the most disturbing things about transpeople. Ive also seen anti-women posters make snarky posts which have been picked up by the media and others as being 'transphobic'

The vast majority of posters on FWR arent transphobic in the slightest...but there are always going to be outliers that are...as in all walks of life

Should that be allowed to happen?

No and yet again, the man won and the woman was kicked out.

The story of women. The End.