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Email sent to LP member from Dawn Butler: Equality will never be an afterthought

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DeRigueurMortis · 22/09/2018 18:18

So despite having left the LP I still get all the "party" emails.

This corker came in today from Dawn hot from the Women's Conference.

Whilst there's nothing "controversial" (and tbh welcome help for re: DV victims - albeit overly simplistic imho which make me wonder just how much they really care about DV, and talk of a ministry for Women & Equalities) I just can't get past how meaningless all this is when the Party can't even properly identify what a woman is and through policies on Self ID are undermining opportunities such as AW shortlist's.

I can't help feeling it's a sop to women tbh. Here are some crumbs off the Labour woke feast table, just to keep to from starving. I just felt insulted reading it.

Am I the only person annoyed by this? Have I just become so damn cynical I can't see the good in any of this?

Email sent to LP member from Dawn Butler: Equality will never be an afterthought
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womanformallyknownaswoman · 22/09/2018 19:00

YANBU!!

It's so fatuous and shows a complete lack of awareness of DV and how women escape and what they need. The ministry of something that we can't define-right - really great idea (/s) of some PR intern that probably cost them twenty thousand pounds in fees :(

Let's make equalities centre stage but don't ask us what that means for women....

words escape me

Email sent to LP member from Dawn Butler: Equality will never be an afterthought
IAmLurkacus · 22/09/2018 18:59

Also how many women who are victims of DA are prevented from working to keep them isolated as a form of control?

What will labour be doing to assist those women?

What they could do is define ‘women’. acknowledge oppression is sex based, improve female only spaces and support and commit to tackling sexism throughout society, starting by teaching girls in schools about their rights to boundaries!

Wankers. Absolute wankers.

Are they still trying to claim that voting for them is the moral high ground? Fuck Off.

I really should stop reading this board, it’s bad for my blood pressure!

DeRigueurMortis · 22/09/2018 18:39

Thanks - I wasn't sure if I was being irrationally angry when I read it.

The DV statement got to me most.

What about victims who don't work?

Then the implied supposition that the "thing" preventing women from leaving is work commitments, let's not think about the fear of violence, years of "grooming", lack of finances and erosion of self esteem hey Angry.

Just tell your boss what's your most private "secret" and get 10 days off to find a new place to live for you and your kids, in a crowded rental market, whilst worrying about your abuser wondering why your off work and browsing letting sites in the internet?

Doing something helpful like supporting shelters financially? Nope. Making sure shelters really are safe havens and female only spaces? Nope.

Then the Ministry - well I'd better not say what I really think (and whose probably eying up running it in the future) or I'll be a recipient of the MN ban hammer.

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 22/09/2018 18:35

It's such crap - 10 days to leave their partners, find new homes and protect their families - all in 10 fucking days - whoever signed off on this claptrap wants firing - it's like saying women fly to the moon and back and we'll give you 10 days to do it - and btw we want proof you were actually victims of DV and that will take you on average a year to get through our bureaucratic hoops where you can't falsely accuse anyone of abuse - right - so helpful/s .

I said recently said that the LP is on the PR lookout for clickbait that's "pro-women" - this is just the latest in a lot of disingenuous "sound bites" looking for policy - after all, they can't even define a woman.

I prefer the bloody MRAs who at least are overt in their misogyny-this gaslighting is enraging by belittling women's abuse at the hands of men.

arranfan · 22/09/2018 18:28

I read it the same way. There's no point fobbing people off with a Ministry for Women and Equalities if you stack the deck with appointments and preconditions (e.g., TWAW) to the point where it's nothing but cargo cult science.

In the South Seas there is a Cargo Cult of people. During the war they saw airplanes land with lots of good materials, and they want the same thing to happen now. So they’ve arranged to make things like runways, to put fires along the sides of the runways, to make a wooden hut for a man to sit in, with two wooden pieces on his head like headphones and bars of bamboo sticking out like antennas—he’s the controller—and they wait for the airplanes to land. They’re doing everything right. The form is perfect. It looks exactly the way it looked before. But it doesn’t work. No airplanes land. So I call these things Cargo Cult Science, because they follow all the apparent precepts and forms of scientific investigation, but they’re missing something essential, because the planes don’t land.

calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.htm

IAmLurkacus · 22/09/2018 18:26

No, it’s bollocks. The fact it’s from Dawn Butler confirms that.

If they actually gave a shit about women they would split ‘Equalities’ from ‘women’.

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