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Trans passport question

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MipMipMip · 22/09/2018 16:33

This isn't a thread for what safeguards there should be or if a person should be able to get a passport in the opposite sex. This is just a question that I had no idea where to put and I'm hoping someone (or more probably several someones as it's about a repeatable scenario) can answer. Here because there are a lot of very knowledgeable about trans people present.

Assuming someone has got a passport stating their sex as something other than they were born with, what happens when they go abroad? I imagine in the UK they get waved through but what about other countries? Particularly ones with heightened security or who disagree with the concept of trans. Does not passing make people question it?

And by the same token what happens if your passport is aligned with your sex but you present as the other? Again, does it get questioned?

Are there places you just can't go? Do you end up being strip searched (not nice for anyone!)? How about people with a mix of boobs and a dick?

I'm genuinely trying to understand the practicalities here and would be grateful if people could tell me more, both policy and experienced.

Many thanks.

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Bimgy85 · 22/09/2018 21:01

Surely they'd just think it was a mistake Grin

GollyGoshGreat · 22/09/2018 19:03

DonnaBe thanks for responding. It’s usually same sex searches that are undertaken.

When I passed through the airport last month I was searched by a female security officer wearing a hijab. Would you have told them you are male sexed or are you rights to present yourself as you wish more important than hers not to touch a male she isn’t related to?

MipMipMip · 22/09/2018 18:31

Sorry I phrased that badly.

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DonnaBe · 22/09/2018 18:07

Psssing isn’t black and white. I pass in most situations but not all.

MipMipMip · 22/09/2018 17:38

Thank you. Do you think it would be different if you didn't pass?

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OlennasWimple · 22/09/2018 17:23

Midge there are lots of websites that list countries that are LGBT friendly or not. The FCO website has country specific advice that can include details on attitudes towards LGBT travellers (including places where one would be unlikely to encounter hostility in big cities, but may do so in more rural areas)

DonnaBe · 22/09/2018 17:18

Meant to say, I don’t look very trans.....my iPad missed the word out. Grrrrr

DonnaBe · 22/09/2018 17:17

GollyGoshGreat

Personally, I’d rather not be searched, but I don’t have a preference about men or women doing it.
My searcher was great. She and I chatted away in French while she frisked me.
I hope she didn’t mind. But I suppose they get used to searching people all day long. I don’t look very so I’m not sure if she knew or not.

It took 30 seconds. We found my key, I apologised and she waved me through.

MIdgebabe · 22/09/2018 17:07

id be curious to see the list of countries for which homosexuals //trans //trans+ homo have problems...is that Published? ( feeling drained today , or id spend more effort on google)

GollyGoshGreat · 22/09/2018 17:03

DonnaBe don’t you feel bad that a woman undertook your search?

DonnaBe · 22/09/2018 16:59

I was a bit worried about turning up with a male passport though. Only a bit. I can usually talk my way out of most situations.

DonnaBe · 22/09/2018 16:57

Nope. There are probably some countries where they’d jail me or even kill me shortly after arriving.

MIdgebabe · 22/09/2018 16:55

WOuld you feel equally comfortable travelling to any country? ( if you don't mind my nosiness)

DonnaBe · 22/09/2018 16:49

I just got back from Belgium. My passport says Male, but I present as female.
I left my door key in my jeans pocket which made the scanner bleep so I got pulled aside - “please step this way madam” - and searched, by a woman.

Passport control let me through without any problems.

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