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Good to see Mail exposing Transgender Trend dishonesty

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ArmchairAnnie · 22/09/2018 12:53

We never wanted our stickers to be used in schools says group which recommended plastering them all over your pencil case.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6193573/Parents-group-apologises-anti-transgender-stickers.html

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CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:23

Eh? Well I hope this thread stand because I think we've all learned a lot, but I'm off to make lemon drizzle cake

exLtEveDallas · 22/09/2018 17:23

Our headteacher was very interested in the TT pack. He's pretty sensible though, as is his deputy. Both ex science teachers. Probably why.

TwistedStitch · 22/09/2018 17:22

Stonewall's disapproval really isn't the trump card you think it is OP. I don't hold Aimee Chanellor's opinion on the safeguarding of children in very high esteem.

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ArmchairAnnie · 22/09/2018 17:21

*It was a bit 'you smell'

no, you smell'

I work with 10 year olds*

You've got a job on Mumsnet?

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CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:20

For the removal of confusion for any lurkers, here's Alex Drummond, Stonewall trans advisor:

Widening the bandwidth of woman

Advocate for self-ID

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:16

It was a bit 'you smell'

no, you smell'

I work with 10 year olds

placemats · 22/09/2018 17:16

Such disingenuous posts OP.

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:14

Is that the level of debate you are engaging in?

Bowlofbabelfish · 22/09/2018 17:13

lang’s safeguarding questions, OP? Since you clearly are very keen on protecting vulnerable young people?

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ArmchairAnnie · 22/09/2018 17:11

They have no expertise or knowledge about child development, education or Safeguarding.

Should be applying for jobs with Transgender Trend then

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CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:10

Stonewall was the originator of the trans umbrella which includes crossdressers, tranvestites and fetishistic males

placemats · 22/09/2018 17:10

Not sure if this is the right thread to post this. But the NHS is being sued now.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/22/nhs-taken-to-court-over-fertility-services-for-transgender-patients

Strapped for cash NHS is failing to

a) Help those who need surgery for transition or else suicide.
b) Fail to produce magic powder dust to keep fertility.

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:08

Yes, that's no surprise. Stonewall's Ruth Hunt made a decision quite a while ago to push gay rights to the side and to throw her lot and the charity's funds into trans rights. The kind of people they have on their trans advisory committee are Aimee Challenor and Alex Drummond. They have no expertise or knowledge about child development, education or Safeguarding.

Bowlofbabelfish · 22/09/2018 17:07

Do you need anlivhter for those books, OP.

How do you feel about Lang’s safeguarding questions? Should gender questioning children be less safe in schools? I certainly don’t think so - do you?

UpstartCrow · 22/09/2018 17:05

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

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ArmchairAnnie · 22/09/2018 17:04

I have emailed the pack to my dcs' school and would be delighted if any of my dcs were willing to stick up posters, stickers etc.

Probably already in their delete queue.

Stonewall: "One thing we want every educator to be clear on is that they must have nothing to do with this deeply damaging publication."

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MrsFogi · 22/09/2018 16:53

Transgender Trend is fantastic and I wish they had not felt the need to apologise. I have emailed the pack to my dcs' school and would be delighted if any of my dcs were willing to stick up posters, stickers etc.

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 16:51

I think the OP of this this thread is a great example of people who think considering your actions, changing your mind and apologising is a weakness.

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 16:48

HandsOff

Love love love the euphemistic meaning of support on the links you posted on page 2

"People who don't like it should be 'supported' to shut up and go away"

Bowlofbabelfish · 22/09/2018 16:47

I have some biology textbooks if you’d like to burn them?

You can pile up the gender critical witches on top maybe as well?

TwistedStitch · 22/09/2018 16:45

Oh no they didn't say 'good idea' in response to someone else's tweet did they? Have you called the police? In fact I'm sure right now someone on twitter is liking or retweeting a scientific fact. You'd best get on the case OP, in case it causes somebody somewhere to have an unapproved thought.

LangCleg · 22/09/2018 16:36

How do you reconcile the safeguarding loopholes outlined above with your wish to see mermaids/gires type information in schools?

I think Annie was the 900(andsomething)th person I asked about my pet three safeguarding loopholes in the guidance Annie approves of. Lest anyone has forgotten them, here they are:

Allowing confidential disclosures
Encouraging parental alienation/not sharing information with parents
Discouraging multi-agency working

These loopholes place gender-questioning children outwith the statutory safeguarding frameworks enjoyed by other children. When we all agree this is a vulnerable group, how can this be a good thing?

Sticker mistakes aside, I think it is fabulous that the Transgender Trend pack is Working Together compliant and does not put gender-questioning children at extra risk.

Anyway. Annie didn't answer. Perhaps this could be 1,001st time lucky?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 22/09/2018 16:28

God yes I know, armchairdannie.

The disappearing OP.. I thought MN didn't like people to start threads and disappear? In the old guidelines

I agree Barracker the numbers speak for themselves about the duplicitous priorities at play here - that have nothing to do with women and girls welfare

placemats · 22/09/2018 16:22

Sorry for the slight derail.

It's a very serious issue that you have perfectly summarised Barracker

Turph · 22/09/2018 16:22

Hmm, less of a mistake than recommending sterilising children with experimental drugs though really isn't it.
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Stripping your arm to create a non working parody of a penis - fine and dandy
Stickers - oohhh the danger
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If you take words as literal violence then words written on a sticker are the equivalent of taking an uzi out I guess.
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Deciding to get oneself sterilized at age 10: good. Freedom of sticker choice at age 16: bad.
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