India Willoughby meltdown on Twitter re Pips Bunce

Yes, it's annoying India isn't it. There you are living your life as a "real woman" and some bloke in a dress comes along and says no, don't look at them, look at me, I'm a real woman.

About 50% of the population potentially know how you feel.

India Willoughby has talked about living a divided life:
Express October 2016

'Transgender journalist India Willoughby talks about the double life she led for decades
SINCE India Willoughby joined ITV as a presenter on its local news channel in Cumbria last November, she has been busy making headlines of her own as Britain’s first transgender TV journalist.'

"What makes her story more remarkable is that in the five years between quitting the show as Jonathan in 2010 and returning as India, she lived a bizarre and secret double life.

In her own words she was “flip- flopping between genders”.

“I did it because I didn’t want to upset my family and friends,” she explained.

During the week she lived in Newcastle where she donned skirts, heels and makeup to work as glamorous female PR executive Joanne Charles.

On Friday evenings she’d revert to being doting father Jonathan, pulling on jeans and a football shirt before driving the 60 miles back to Carlisle to see her son." (continues)

“The next day I thought, ‘Maybe there’s a better way’. And that’s when I decided to split my life in two.”

Talking about how she led a double life for five long years she said: “It was like being undercover. But I was losing my identity. I couldn’t be male, that was pretence from the off, but I couldn’t be fully female either.

“I had two sets of friends, neither of which knew the other existed, and my family were completely oblivious to the life I was living. But the mental strain of juggling two lives… got too much.” (continues)
www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/722571/India-Willoughby-transgender-surgery-ITV-journalist-UK-life-LGBT

This sounds remarkably similar to Bunce's life, except that one is being done openly and being celebrated

proud of it

I wrote this on another thread but I'm quite prud of it so...:

IW: Mistaken about self. Really upset when she butts against people who disagree with IW

PB: Lies about self. Really upset when he butts against people who try and stop him

Both: Haven't thought beyond themselves. Haven't thought about women. Women are really insulted by that, because on the whole, women are socialised to care as much about others, of not more, than themselves. And here it is; that niceness being exploited

Lots of people: Bit aggrieved at being forced to lie

To be fair India sounds like she has dysphoria of some sort. Bunce is just taking the piss and trying to re educate everyone at CS with the kool aid.

Well yes, but we could make the argument that Bunce is preferable because Bunce is only appropriating twice a week?

People with the fetish in question do seem to get a bit stuck, sartorially speaking, in the era in which they first developed it.

I think that may be the first time I've ever seen Lang do understatement.

God knows why, but I'm feeling quite jolly this morning. I expect this to change once I've caught up with all threads.

I had a dream, that we could have a gay rights org that actually represented gay people...

To be fair India sounds like she has dysphoria of some sort.
Bunce is just taking the piss and trying to re educate everyone at CS with the kool aid.
The aesthetics are not feminine anyway. No woman has dressed like that since the 1970s. It is a perfectly fine fetish but it shouldn’t be confused with women and femininity.

Stonewall should distance Stonewall from Stonewall at this point.

India should distance India from Stonewall

(Meant the first one, but in India's case the second might be a bit too reasonable too.)

I think that may be the first time I've ever seen Lang do understatement.

"Quite coincidentally the definition of a woman is the one that includes me and excludes you other oiks who I feel superior to."

Or, more simply: The definition of woman is ME. This is because nobody else in the world matters except for ME.

India is intelligent enough to see which way the wind is blowing.

This is not quite the impression I get.

"Quite coincidentally the definition of a woman is the one that includes me and excludes you other oiks who I feel superior to."

... because it's easy to talk about how unreasonable Pips is. It's more nuanced to talk about how Pips is just one of a line of people pushing women's boundaries and then calling them TERFs when they object. He's just more obvious about it.

IW must be experiencing massive cognitive dissonance right now

I had a really funny parody post all typed out and then I realised it wasn't much of a parody at all.

Twitter, eh? Dominated by XYs arguing among themselves about which of them is and which of them isn't, a woman.

I'd say that India should look up what Godwin's Law is but I fear that if I did, India would call me a nazi.

There's a long thread about Pips. Don't mean to be all authoritarian, but could this one be about IW?

He says he is “gender fluid” and “non-binary.”

In that case, by his own logic his is not a woman. And should therefore not be listed as a 'Top 100 Women in Business'.

Shucks,
will I ever 'learn'?

Remember when India wrote an article in PInk News about how India's opinion about gender self-id had changed?

India was very upset about Mumsnet and Justine Robert's decision to allow free civil discussion about the proposed changes to the GRA.

It was an opinion piece and as India is a journalist we can be reassured that these are India's own words:

April 2018 'India Willoughby: Britain’s rampant transphobia has me worried for my life'
(extracts)
"We’re heading for a modern day Stonewall riot – unless the government and media clamp down on what has become rampant transphobia.
Transgender people are being bullied and hounded like never before – and we need to be very careful about where all this unfettered hate dressed up as “free speech” is going.
The Sunday Times, Daily Mail and – wait for it – Mumsnet – are hounding trans women in the same way Hitler went about stigmatising Jewish people."

"I totally get why many women might have concerns about this, given there have been so many ridiculous over-the-top debates where the scenario of sex-offender in a dress is trotted out.
It just doesn’t bear up to scrutiny though. Honestly. Self-identification in no way incentivises someone to commit a sex offence. It doesn’t make it easier or more likely.
Waving a piece of paper or shouting “I’m a woman” is not going to buy any leniency from the police or courts

I admit – I wasn’t convinced about self ID myself to begin with, but the evidence from around the world is irrefutable. I was categorically wrong, and fell for the hysteria." (continues)

"I defy anyone to visit Mumsnet right now, look up transgender, and tell me that the vicious and mocking threads about trans people would be allowed about any other demographic. It’s the stuff of pitchforks and lanterns. The same rhetoric about race, religion on sexuality would lead to prosecutions and official condemnation.

Mumsnet CEO Justine Roberts squeals that trans people highlighting the content – including threads which out trans people – to some of the site’s main advertisers is out of order. She describes it as an attack on free speech. This might be a shock to Justine, but trans people have free speech, too.

There’s even a debate about introducing a new trans Section 28, clamping down on educating the public about what transgender is.

Justine is adamant there’s nothing transphobic on Mumsnet. Only reasoned debate. She wants transgender visitors to Mumsnet to be “happy and supported.” It feels reminiscent of when Cruella de Vil opens a home for stray dogs in 101 Dalmatians." (continues)

£Mumsnet’s reputation for transphobia is fully deserved. Hardliners openly strategise ways to make life tougher for trans people: Passengers warned not to travel on sleeper trains because they might end up in the same sleeping berth as a woman who’s trans. Support gathered to stop trans women being allowed on Labour’s all-women shortlists. National meeting organised where they can clap and cheer their hatred.
It’s all very similar to the way the National Front used to operate.

I’m sure most people who use the site are decent folk. They want nothing to do with the rabid mouth-frothing going on by so-called “feminists.”" (continues)

"All we want to do is use the appropriate bathroom or changing area, and get on with our lives.
Which is where I would ask all women who think of themselves as feminists, or equal rights supporters, to stand alongside trans women at the moment." (cont.)

"Last week was my first ever visit to Mumsnet. Honestly, I thought it was going to be lots of stuff about prams, or family-related matters. A sort of online This Morning minus Phil and Holly. The reality is more like a Nuremberg Rally. It’s very scary." (continues)

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/04/24/india-willoughby-transphobia-opinion-worried-for-my-life-mumsnet/

Just reported my own post for 'misgendering'
I did it with Jess Badley and MN removed so handing myself in.