India Willoughby meltdown on Twitter re Pips Bunce

But regardless of who gets to decide who is True Trans and who isn't, it's always women who bear the brunt.

Oh, absolutely, zutt. No disagreement here.

The only people for whom it's helpful to collapse and conflate the categories is the ones who are trojan horsing. If you make it impossible to differentiate between dysphoria and a fetish, then it's the person with dysphoria who loses out, because their serious mental health condition gets put on a par with someone who likes popping on his wife's knickers of a weekend.

There are many different ways to be trans. The middle aged cross-dresser is different from the flamboyant and imaginative dress-wearing boy, is different from the ladypenised misogynist, is different from the old-school transexual just trying to get on with their life.

But for the women or girls coming face to face with a male transperson in female spaces, it's impossible to differentiate between them.

If transpeople want to widen or narrow the definition of trans, fine. Still not a reason for male people to be in female spaces.

I actually agree with India to an extent. It's serving no-one to pretend that everyone under the umbrella is the same and ought to be treated the same.

There are many different ways to be trans. The middle aged cross-dresser is different from the flamboyant and imaginative dress-wearing boy, is different from the ladypenised misogynist, is different from the old-school transexual just trying to get on with their life.

All very different things. Where India and I part ways is that I know that none of them are women.

Sorry!! Wrong thread

It’s going mainstream!! The DM have picked it up
This is a massive own goal for Credit Suisse. (Slow handclap)

MsBeaujangles

Indeed.

And I forgot clutching a piece of paper Neville Chamberlain style, whilst vehemently declaring I'm the only person who can say it

As i said IW has form for being a twit, a hypocritical twit and anti woman too.

Datun, damn autocorrect!

Datum, have you included - you'll be forced in to killing yourself if you can't say it?

I wish I could properly recall what this reminds me of....

I saw a cartoon once where there were a series of characters presented 1 by one, each making the same statement. As it went on, the statement seemed more and more ridiculous and by the end, most viewers will have shifted from complete agreement with the statement to seeing it for what it was.

This really reminds me of this, but in reverse.

Sorry, probably a useless post but potentially an idea for a good animation!

I’ve declared a month-long pancake strike. If they don’t like mine, they can make their own.

My view on these things also. I don't mind hoovering up rejected items but I'm not wiping anybody's preferred-menu arse, thankyouverymuch.

I will guarantee you that the weak-willed DH will drive to the supermarket to buy the bloody red berries Special K by the end of the day. He folds like a cheap suit.

Is that Gay4corbyn person a parody account?

They're saying that only transwomen who identify as women full time should get an award for women in business.

I shall have to add that to my list.

So what do we have? What is the list of criteria male born people are fighting over?

You must commit full-time to saying you're woman.
You only have to say it two days out of seven.
You have to get turned on by saying it.
You have to be distressed if you can't say it.
You have to say it and have surgery.
You have to have been saying it for years.
You have to be able to rape women while saying it.
You will commit crime if you can't say it.
Anyone can say, for any reason.

Got it.

Will it finish by Willoughby picking on Bunce?

I suspect with the level of offence that even minor differences of expression and opinion cause in TRA circles, it could descent into an almighty bunfight. It doesn’t help that the reach of Stonewall’s umbrella captures a multitude of competing interests.

You sound like you might actually appreciate one, Sophocles. I may make exceptions, but not for my children. I’ve taught them how to make pancakes so, in theory, they are pancake self-sufficient. The doing just eats into their screen time. 🙄 No more!

Oh Gawd. It's like the Stalinist / Trotskyist split all over again.

Will it finish by Willoughby picking on Bunce?

I'd like a pancake boartyard!

Special K. The DH didn't get the one with red berries in it which is, apparently, heresy, so DS1 won't eat it. It is a function of the patriarchy that I am the house food hoover. And you wonder why I default to the WBH.

My kids spurned my pancakes this morning, declaring them too soggy. I used more milk in the batter than usual to stretch the last remaining egg gifted to me by a friend from his garden hens. I would have much rather fried or poachiing. I’ve declared a month-long pancake strike. If they don’t like mine, they can make their own.

/merail.

So, basically we (lowly females and all, former residents of Class Woman) are not allowed to complain about the likes of part timer Bunce, because 'transphobia', but India Willoughby is.

Seems like everybody (born with a penis) is allowed to have this say in womanhood, except, actual females. Got it.

Yes, it's annoying India isn't it. There you are living your life as a "real woman" and some bloke in a dress comes along and says no, don't look at them, look at me, I'm a real woman.

About 50% of the population potentially know how you feel.

Nailed it, nice

Datun's list too.

Lol @ brave and stunning.

IW is considered a terf, transphobic and a shallow self absorbed twit by many in the trans community. Their tweets are a sight to behold.

Fucking infuriating though for all the GC feminists (many here on MN) who have spent years patiently pointing this stuff out, and now the penny has finally fucking dropped and somehow the GC/TERFs are still the enemy?

Why does it have to take so long for any of them to see the contradictions and the illogic of their position?

IW believes trans is a word only for people who have dysphoria. Many other TRAs would call that bigotry because being trans ‘isn’t a mental illness’.

Not only a TERF, but one guilty of LITERAL VIOLENCE for misgendering the brave and stunning Pippa Bunce.

So IW is a TERF? She’s misgendering and gatekeeping. I’d say that makes her a TERF.