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Times reporting the sacking of Angelos Sofocleous

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Igneococcus · 21/09/2018 07:56

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/student-editor-angelos-sofocleous-fired-in-transphobia-row-fww5ds6nj?shareToken=29c4736b2a8d395f6a4d363319baa99f

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SunsetBeetch · 21/09/2018 17:03

Good that this story is gaining traction. If Angelos wants to take any legal action, I'd be happy to donate to a crwodfundee, whatever!

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2018 16:36

Daily Mail

6300 shares.
1300 comments.

stillathing · 21/09/2018 16:15

Sacking someone without following correct procedures seems like something you'd do if you wanted to scare other people away from expressing a similar view. That this movement will not tolerate debate is telling. That this movement gets away with not tolerating debate is chilling.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 21/09/2018 16:10

Entitled/NPD men think those men who support assertive women are betraying their pack and hence turn upon them and savage them - says more about them that they are outing their true colours :)

TwistedStitch · 21/09/2018 16:05

Daily Mail now reporting it too. Over a thousand comments which mainly seem to say 'Eh? Of course women don't have penises!' Nobody is buying this shit.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6192453/Student-editor-tweeted-women-dont-penises-fired-university.html

ScreamingBird · 21/09/2018 13:41

It makes me have a strange sympathy with those who say that the educated elites are out of touch with the real world.

Up is down, in the New World Order.

NicoAndTheNiners · 21/09/2018 13:15

I’ve just been reading this. Bonkers that he gets sacked as head of humanist society and editor of a flipping philosophy journal for trying to discuss the issue. Never mind what he said is biologically and scientifically correct.

I really worry about the lack of intelligence and common sense from some students these days, a lot of whom seem to be in positions of “power” either within their uni socs or the NUS.

FermatsTheorem · 21/09/2018 13:03

I suspect Cartimandua may be peak-transing a lot of people!

eurochick · 21/09/2018 12:50

It's absolutely absurd that a philosophy publication will not entertain the discussion of a philosophical issue. The whole thing is baffling. I'm glad the Times has picked it up.

Melamin · 21/09/2018 12:44

Is that the same Cartimandua that used to patrol the Guardian comments?

SPOFS · 21/09/2018 12:18

This whole thing makes Durham Uni look quite stupid and very closed-minded. I imagine a lot of the academic there are quite embarrassed by it.

frogintheTyne · 21/09/2018 11:53

In the Daily Mail too. Comments have been moderated and are about free speech. Nothing about stating the obvious that women don't have pansies.

HerFemaleness · 21/09/2018 11:44

To be fair though, I don’t think the characteristics of reproductive sex is an ideology.

True, but I think it's fair to say that in the current climate acceptance of biology is generally an indication that you're a sceptic of girl brain and lady soul and a whole host of other highly specious claims made by proponents of trans ideology.

BettyDuMonde · 21/09/2018 11:42

That’s the thing - that tweet he reshared asked a question, and shared a mainstream article.

How can that be offensive to a philosophy department?

CrackpotsArePots · 21/09/2018 11:39

The only person I've ever spoken to about self-ID , when I wasn't the one who'd raised it, was a male Times reader. I could not have been more surprised. Had a nice chat with him and alerted him to all the nonsense that is going on. He agreed

CrackpotsArePots · 21/09/2018 11:37

The Times has been great at getting our voices heard

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 21/09/2018 11:36

A younger man with principles and a spine. Bravo Angelos

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Igneococcus · 21/09/2018 11:33

Cartimandua is currently peaktransing anyTimes reader that hadn't peaked yet, excellent work.

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Bowlofbabelfish · 21/09/2018 11:30

Chilling. You state a fact and get punished for it. You ask why and you get removed from your role in a philosophical magazine. It’s surreal.

Angelos writes well and seems to have an air of reasonableness and calm. I’d like to read more of his writing - good to see him write a blog for the spectator. I hope this gives him access and exposure to other media - it’d be wonderful if he got a piece in the times.

Needmoresleep · 21/09/2018 11:22

The article was in an established, albeit right-leaning, magazine. Putting the actual content to one side, there is a huge free-speech issue.

So time for other media like The Times to stand up and be counted.

SPOFS · 21/09/2018 11:17

It doesn't look like Angelos is going away quietly, and I'm glad! I hope he challenges his sackings and gets the backing of his uni.

happydappy2 · 21/09/2018 11:06

The comments are great- things that might not have been approved in the past are being printed. Things that I don’t think we can even say on here!

HotRocker · 21/09/2018 10:40

To be fair though, I don’t think the characteristics of reproductive sex is an ideology.

HerFemaleness · 21/09/2018 10:19

I get that this has probably been deeply upsetting for Angelos and I'm not trying to trivialise his experience, but I do think there's something quite amazing at being sacked from a magazine called 'Critique' for a failure to uncritically submit to a dominant ideology.

HotRocker · 21/09/2018 09:58

So, wanking at your desk, posting pictures of yourself flashing in public, and posting pictures of a paedophilic nature on your blog = suspension.
Liking a tweet that asks whether it’s a crime to say women don’t have penises = the sack.
This is student politics in 2018. Rightio