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Times reporting the sacking of Angelos Sofocleous

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Igneococcus · 21/09/2018 07:56

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/student-editor-angelos-sofocleous-fired-in-transphobia-row-fww5ds6nj?shareToken=29c4736b2a8d395f6a4d363319baa99f

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SPOFS · 27/09/2018 14:12

I just caught up on his radio 4 interview. He came across very well. I can't believe he's only 23! He's wise beyond his years.

borntobequiet · 27/09/2018 07:49

Angelos being interviewed on R4 Today now. What a great guy. Some attempt I think to shout him down at the beginning.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/09/2018 15:04

'Transphobia' seems to be the manifestation of TRAs fear of objective reality.

TimeLady · 24/09/2018 13:20

There was a discussion on this particular topic on Digital Spy, so I waded in yesterday with a few biological facts (dimorphic species, sex vs. gender, why women can't transition into transwomen, why women don't have penises, etc etc) ….and it's all been cut and deemed transphobic. Thread closed.

Basic biology. Censored. Unbelievable.

So thank you @MNHQ, you really are allowing us to speak relatively freely here and I salute you for that.

I'll leave DS in the hands of the misogynistic science-deniers.

BettyDuMonde · 24/09/2018 12:23

Couple of screen shots for those not wanting to give Liddle the clicks.
He describes himself as ‘reading the Guardian so you don’t have to’ so he can’t really object:

Times reporting the sacking of Angelos Sofocleous
Times reporting the sacking of Angelos Sofocleous
Charliethefeminist · 23/09/2018 23:01

Rod Liddle is an asshat. He just sees the opportunity to be cleverer than thou. He doesn't care.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/09/2018 18:04

Rod Liddel in today's Sunday Times mentions this

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abandon-ship-labour-moderates-corbyns-mersey-ferry-only-goes-left-left-and-left-again-hmvsd20w5?shareToken=abe40ff2ef2e2509bb061ddf59b94b0d

And another gc-ish swipe in the 'genes' section

Don't agree with him on the 'fridging' bit (not quite sure what his point there is tbh) though I liked its opening line.Grin

theboud · 23/09/2018 17:50

I agree with something Toby Young said. That might be the most surprising thing about this whole affair.

Bolloxio · 23/09/2018 17:44

Fired from the free speech society for saying something that some people didn't like though, couldn't make it up Grin

carceralfeminist · 23/09/2018 12:13

Angelos's story really ought to get traction with the "intellectual dark web." Good for Angelos. I am glad he is getting a good reception from those with common sense. I really hope the media/alternative media take an active interest in him, because while I don't really like the idea that more people seem to realize the dangers with anti-woman-trans-activism when the messenger is a man (despite the fact that feminists have been banging on about it for forever), we really need all the exposure of this madness that we can get.
The emperor is stark naked, tyrannical and has been proven quite unfit to rule. Pass it on.

SPOFS · 23/09/2018 11:58

Good for him if he does get opportunities out of this. Those that are sticking up for women's rights against the tide of bullying deserve to be rewarded. Smile

Charliethefeminist · 22/09/2018 18:00

He's exactly the type to get asked on to moral maze or something like that.

Charliethefeminist · 22/09/2018 17:58

I predict more Angelos in the media fill stop. He's young, he's cool, he's bright as a button and he's unafraid. GC media types who are desperate for a fresh face to try yet again with their editors to get space will fall on his neck. Watch out for him if n a Sky papers review any time now - I bet.

Bowlofbabelfish · 22/09/2018 16:56

A quick scroll through the home page shows that it’s the most shared by a long way. So I predict more to come

Charliethefeminist · 22/09/2018 16:55

Angelos' story has additional traction because he looks like exactly the sort of person who would go the other way.

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2018 16:50

Which is now 23,000 BTW.

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2018 16:50

In terms of the current media babysteps, I have always assumed that Mail stories change prominence, especially on the app, by the number of clicks. Lots of clicks, shares and comments tell them that this is a story people read. More prominence, so even more people reading. Good stats to give advertisers. So more reporting of storys covering the same issue. I assume The Times and Spectator monitor traffic in th same way.

Bingo.

And that's why I am very interested in those share numbers.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 22/09/2018 16:29

DM is running a rather critical article on Pips/Philip Bunce as well.

Interesting to see that change in reporting over the last few months.

They've had a change in editor as well I think - irrespective it's positive that it's hitting the headlines

Needmoresleep · 22/09/2018 14:49

But they, and the MPs they vote for, need to know about the consultation.

SPOFS · 22/09/2018 14:33

The DM's readership will never ever accept self-id, even if it does become illegal to question it.

The DM are probably rubbing their hands with glee over all the shares they're getting.

scepticalwoman · 22/09/2018 14:06

Well done Rain for complaining. It is interesting how much things are shifting in terms of publicity in recent weeks.
I keep saying, we really don't have to do very much - the 'movement ' repeatedly reveals itself for what it is with minimal help from women. Grin

Charliethefeminist · 22/09/2018 13:59

I would not be surprised that to find that some woke people have found their way into this bit of Government policy making

This is without doubt. All of those involved were and are trans advocates. It's virtually certain that all were also advocates of self-ID. The LGBT Equalities Office will have drafted the survey and the documents around it, and the unequivocal stated aim there is to make it easier for more people to be treated as if they were the opposite sex under the law. Women were not perceived as stakeholders, so there was no feminist voice involved, at any stage.

Bowlofbabelfish · 22/09/2018 13:56

DM is running a rather critical article on Pips/Philip Bunce as well.

Interesting to see that change in reporting over the last few months.

BettyDuMonde · 22/09/2018 13:49

Great news, Rain.

Tide is definitely turning. Everyday a little progress.

RaininSummer · 22/09/2018 13:47

Well this is interesting... I have received an email from DM to say that my comment has been reinstated.

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