If I argue transwomen are men is this an extremist position?

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DJLippy · 20/09/2018 00:08

In my opinion this should not be viewed as an extremist position.

I think there is a humane argument to be made for this.

For example. I want transwomen to be protected from violence and prejudice but I think the best way forward is by recognising transowmen are still male. You can play with words but at the end of the day - saying transwomen are male - what you mean is the same. Let's be honest and stake our ground.

I don't know if the TW I am sharing an intimate space with has a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. I don't know if they have a penis. I don't know how I am supposed to tell the difference between a male with bad intentions or a transexual who just wants to pee in peace. I can't inspect genitals. I can't ask to see a GRC.

I actually think the demand to remove your genitals to gain entry into the club male/female club is barbaric.

Can we make a more human argument from such a position? The idea that some male born people can be considered women but some male born people cannot seems so difficult to manage. Who decides that? What criteria do they use? How are women supposed to tell the difference between 'good' and 'bad' trans.

I am not being goady. I genuinely want to hear what people have to say please take this post with the good intention it was intended.

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Barracker · 20/09/2018 00:43

Transwomen are all of the sex class that produces sperm that fertilise the eggs of the opposite sex class, and they are adult, and they are human.

Ergo, they are fit the exact dictionary definition of men.

My advice is that your energy is precious, and using it attempting to prove gravity exists or the earth is round is a waste of your energies.

We all seem to be trapped in an episode of Black Mirror, endlessly arguing the case for stuff that needs no argument.

Adult human females cannot be transwomen.
Transwomen are all adult human males.
The definition of man is adult human male.

Mumsnet may prevent me from reducing those those sentences down to one because the end result of logical reasoning doesn't create a welcoming atmosphere. So I'll leave them as they are.

The truth is the truth. Speaking the truth may be considered extreme in times when people prefer to hear lies. So be it.

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DJLippy · 20/09/2018 00:39

I think that all TW are men

I also think that the argument that lopping your cock off gives you entry into female spaces is actually barbarism. No one should do this to their genitals/sexuality. I feel quite strongly about this.

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FloraFox · 20/09/2018 00:31

If your goal is to formulate a statement that is "humane" for TW* whilst still being accurate and not erasing women, I think you're on to a hiding to nothing. TRAs are not interested in common ground or compromise. Only complete capitulation will be acceptable for them.

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