Lib Dems choose trans rights over Fair Play for Women

I think "women don't have penises" is a nice catchy look-up friendly slogan to write on a ballot paper.

I think I'm just going to write "Women don't have penises" and draw a dick on my ballot paper next time around to be honest.

Perhaps they just didn't tell you?

You understand wrong shotsfired.

I understand there are moves afoot to launch a splinter LD party. It was described as momentum-like hive-off in terms of linkage to the existing party (but not in relation to policies).

If true, I wonder what direction they will take?

Just for the record, it looks as if Sarah Brown and Zoe O'Connell were nominated for the Patsy Calton award by the LGBT+ LDs. A lot of women were nominated. Sarah and Zoe definitely didn't win the prize, and weren't mentioned when it was handed out. IIRC it went to a young woman who is an aide of Wera Hobhouse, for doing amazing work on the Upskirting Bill.

There were other things going on at the conference in relation to women which were not trans-oriented: a debate calling for abortion equality for women in NI was one, and a good talk (and book) by Jo Swinson on actual women's actual issues. She really seems to understand what (both of) those consist of, and I'm trying to nerve myself to ask her to disagree with the notion that a Parliament with 50% transwomen would be any kind of triumph for women's rights.

I was very happy to see a brave woman from Fair Play for Women handing out Hands Off My Rights leaflets outside the conference. Most of those giving her hostile responses were very young women who have drink the Kool-Aid. The really successful TRA campaign to ban all dissent, and to scare people off even looking into the issues by labelling any doubts as bigotry and hatred, means that most of the young (and indeed most not-particularly-engaged older people) probably have no idea why GC women are concerned. To the young, the trans issue has become the equivalent of earlier generations' fight for race equality and then gay rights - self-evidently right, so that only bigots can be opposed. They don't see how much they have been manipulated. I don't see any excuse for Sal Brinton though.

"The female of the species is more deadly than the male. Shock shock horror horror shock shock horror"
The 90s were simpler times.

BAN ALL THE WORDS

Women by contrast just have to accept that we're not fully "accepted and supported" by British society.

Nothing new there.

The question is what do we do about it.

she said that to a man who constantly attacks both women and trans women who dare to question or disagree with him on anything.

Thanks for the clarification MrsMcGarry. I might look in to that a bit further.

Sarah didn't get the award. A fantastic young woman who worked on the upskirting bill did.

But she also didn't tell a woman to suck on her formaldehyde pickled balls - she said that to a man who constantly attacks both cis and trans women who dare to question or disagree with him on anything.

Maybe I am over-thinking it but I was conscious of the poster that was to be put up in Liverpool defining 'woman' as 'adult human female' and thinking that if TRAs start to claim 'females' is unacceptable as a term we have lost yet another means of defining ourselves.

They’ve already claimed it for the most part. Look at the #adulthanfemale hashtag on Twitter. ‘I’m a #adulthumanfemale who just happens to be trans’ etc.

There are some choice responses to a Lib Dem man who stepped into the fray (unwisely, as it turned out). He said:

There was a small band of fruit loopers outside conference on Saturday, determined to go fake news on Lib Dem policy. It was just one of a million little signs that certain political groups feel their self appointed status as guardians of humanity is under threat. Good.

It's not certain whether he was referring to the campaign against the law consultation on gender (Fairplay for Women) or those campaigning against the LibDems creepy policies on prostituted women (NotBuyingIt, ObjectUk etc). Whoever the "fruitloopers" were, he got called out........

twitter.com/paulgraylocal/status/1042344556711366656

Are they MAD?????

One thing that alarms me even more about all this is that all the major parties are simply laying open the way for an extreme right party to gain a lot of ground on the back of this nonsense.

Totally. The options here are one of the main parties can get to grips with this issue or watch the rise of the far right. There MUST be at least some MPs that realise this?

Yes dommina that’s kind of what I was thinking. That account has posted much worse, IMO.

One thing that alarms me even more about all this is that all the major parties are simply laying open the way for an extreme right party to gain a lot of ground on the back of this nonsense.

What have I misinterpreted?
No, you’re right. I don’t like ‘females’ being used where the right word really should be ‘women’, but it’s not misogynistic. This is the kind of shit that happens when people appropriate words.

I certainly don't agree with Sarah getting that award though. Not trying to be Goadby.

What have I misinterpreted?

I don't want to speak for another poster here, but I also think it's slightly misinterpreted. For me, referring to women as 'females' kind of sounds... off. Outside of actual scientific speak ofc. I think the original star trekky post by the lib dems was a reference to the kind of (usually kind of geeky and insular) misogynistic bloke who would refer to women as females.

I think it makes more sense if youre familiar with reddity style chat.

So, yes it's true I AM female, but I can also see lib dems point about live stock. It's a very detached and often unkind way to speak about women,sometimes.

Don't think I explained myself well there, hope I made some kind of sense.

Yes but even in the Lib dems the tide is turning. The tweets in response to the young liberals putting women's rights in the bin are very interesting. There are Lib Dem members on there saying hold on ...

Yeah it’s bad news when your leader has already checked out. 🤷‍♀️