Confused

Dakinis

Two things to GRC directly affects, as I keep saying, are prisons and all women shortlists. The prison authorities could change that in a heartbeat, if they wanted to. They don't.

There are 14,000 men in prison for sex offences, and 120 women.

Every single one of those men would get automatic transfer to a female prison if they had a GRC. Automatic.

Self ID would make it an administrative exercise, your words.

I'm sure you don't think that's a good idea. In which case, your solution would have to keep male sex offenders out of women's prison.

Which is my position. Do you have a different position to that?

The lesbians I know all agree
We want to keep the L with the T

I fucking don't and neither do the all the lesbians I know.

Self ID is purely admin
It makes no difference to us women

Apart from the fact that it lets in the fetishists, you mean? And the opportunistic men who will use it when they realise women cannot challenge any man, no matter what he looks like, when self-id is law.

I for one do not want people of the like of Bradley, amongst whose hobbies is wanking in public.

As I keep pointing out, the current law works on the basis of self ID. All this fear about males identifying as female and using female spaces. They've been doing it for 14 years. Legally. For 14 years.

And as people keep pointing out to you, This Is Not True.

I am reminded of the immortal words of Tim Minchin in all this:

'If the facts don't fit my narrative
I'll just believe alternatives
Cos otherwise my brain will blow up'.

Dakinis

Juells how can something that hasn't even happened yet possibly be affecting you?

As I keep pointing out, the current law works on the basis of self ID.

Trying to square both those claims, and failing.

And as we keep on pointing out... MANY people and agencies are acting as though the amendment has already been passed.

The current law does not work on Self ID as it is proposed, or why would they need to change the law?

And 'all this fear' is so bloody disingenuous! Again... have you even once stopped and looked at some of the current, real life damage done in the name of Self ID?

It is not us that are preempting anything...

Please Dakinis, please tell me
Who benefits from self ID?
If you support the change in law
You surely know who it is for
And how it will affect their days
And in exactly how many ways
I'm asking you to answer me
Who benefits from self ID?

Juells how can something that hasn't even happened yet possibly be affecting you?

Your preempting of a future situation does not equate to the GRA reform affecting you.

As I keep pointing out, the current law works on the basis of self ID. All this fear about males identifying as female and using female spaces. They've been doing it for 14 years. Legally. For 14 years.

Take the admin and show it to
The rising number of women who
Have been assaulted whilst in jail
By a woman who was an intact male!

So Dakinis

1 consent
2 listen to women
3 make male toilets mixed sex and keep the female sex specific

Are we cool then

Self ID is purely admin
It makes no difference to us women

🙄 Us women keep telling you it does, so why do you keep on insisting it doesn't?

The lesbians I know all agree
We want to keep the L with the T

You must know only very young 'woke' lesbians then. Or transwomen who say they're lesbian.

You’re never going to make amends
By alienating leftie friends

Why should we care? They're not friends if they're not supporting women.

If you knew what a 'man' is
I think your plan might work
But as you don't and never will
It makes you look a berk

Self ID is purely admin
It makes no difference to us women

My consent is mine alone
On this I cannot shift
You know that which you do not own
Is not within your gift

I'm still finding it hard to see
Who will benefit from self ID
Apart from men who wish to rape
And prey on women who can't escape

So Dakinis will you please tell me
Who will benefit from self ID?

You’re never going to make amends
By alienating leftie friends
What on earth is there to gain
We’ll end up on TRA terrain
Let’s not make it ‘us and them'
Let's all unite against violent men

I can't see anything wrong with that, Dakinis. Can you?

Dakinis

If I let a man in my bog
(Quite apart from the stench of his log)
My pink lady brain's
not up to the strain
Of concluding, a prince or a frog?

Dakinis that was a great idea just put forward. Let's keep female (real female) only facilities and turn the mens into mixed sex. Then you can get changed or go to to the loo or to prison or whatever with men and trans'women'. TW get to share with women (thanks for taking that on) and women who do not consent to share with males can keep their sex-specific spaces.

Please forgive that clumsy edition
Not my intended juxtaposition!

Let’s work together to kick predatory males out

We don't see you doing that now. Why not?

Solve the problem of violent and predatory males. Then solve the 'problem' of single sex spaces. Stop putting the cart before the horse, you are putting women at risk.

Oh, pshaw!

I'm struggling now to know what's worse
Unwanted dicks or dreadful verse

Dakinis

Offence is taken when I am sure
Your intent is clear, it is to abjure
My thought and my belief
That men in a woman's space often bring grief.

You cannot simply choose to ignore
The harm currently done by this law
When men rape women in the women's estate
And the law does nothing to negate

You can focus on this being about the loo
But again and again

WE SEE YOU!!

Sorry I'm going back to verse

Datun no offence is meant
I’m not trying to override your consent
Leftie feminists can easily see
The need for privacy when having a wee
(Though I’ve heard many a trans women say
They’ve not used a public loo all day)
I know I am a crashing bore
For simply pointing out the law
But the rules are there and plain to see
Trans women have the same rights as you and me
The lesbians I know all agree
We want to keep the L with the T
So let’s not divide and all fall out
Let’s work together to kick predatory males out