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Has Germaine Greer lost the plot?

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WeLoveFlowers · 19/09/2018 09:58

Her recent remarks that ‘unconsiderate sex’ can be worse than getting raped by a stranger are completely baffling. Has she lost the plot? I can’t get behind her on this one and wish she was no longer treated as as a spokesperson for feminism.

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DontBoreMe · 19/09/2018 10:25

It depends if the "rape by a stranger" is of the "we were do drunk that I can't remember if I wanted to" variety, in which case - yes, I can see that a shag with your long term partner where they didn't put any effort in & only satisfied them-self, could be worse.

RatRolyPoly · 19/09/2018 10:24

I appreciate the overall message of her recent rape comments could be considered deeply insensitive, but I do think she has a point about changing the narrative surrounding rape.

The idea that it is the patriarchy that has told women that their sex is something deeply precious and they key to the "ownership" of her, and that that message has been used to keep us down I think is a powerful one. That rape - even non-violent, non-contested rape - takes something fundamental away from women and is a tool to "destroy" us on some profoundly hurtful level - I mean I understand what she's saying, how much of that feeling of having been degraded is on account of having been told that our sex is the means by which men own us? That through raping us men can take something far greater from us than the act of not caring if our consent was not enthusiastic? Is that what sex really means to women, outside of a patriarchal society?

If it weren't for patriarchal systems of control, would we be as deeply hurt by non-violent rape as we are in today's society? Like I say, I know that by even asking the question you're risking the emotional upset of many female victims of men - both of men's actions and of the patriarchal systems we've been brought up in - but I do think she might have a point worth exploring.

KittyKlawsReturns · 19/09/2018 10:17

Germaine Greer forces people to talk about issues, she often does this by making controversial points. This encourages the 'what is she thinking?' journalism (and threads on MN) but it means the issue is discussed further. She has always been excellent at bringing discussions to the mainstream in this way.

It would be good to look at the comments in context and unpack them - it usually reveals something deeper than the controversial comment made to prompt knee-jerk responses. This isn't to say she is always right (and I personally need to look at the comments made myself) but I admire her ability to make people talk and to bring issues to light.

I'm not about to defend this particular comment right now since as I said, I haven't looked at the context myself (yet) but here we are talking about what she has said.

speakingwoman · 19/09/2018 10:15

She keeps trying to tell us she’s very old but no one wants to listen because who can replace her?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/09/2018 10:12

In about 1998 she was saying we all know there's something a bit dodgy about men who want to work in childcare.
You could come up with a whole list of Ridiculous Stuff Germaine Has Said.

VickyEadie · 19/09/2018 10:09

The converse of 'a stopped clock is right twice a day' is something like 'Germaine Greer occasionally talks shite'.

I bet if you watched telly with her, as well as recognising how excellent 'No Offence' and 'Vanity Fair' are, she'd claim that Corrie is as good as it's ever been, or some other nonsense.

Most of what she says is spot on, however.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/09/2018 10:03

She's always been a bit random. It's nothing new.
I believe other feminists have always been a bit annoyed and frustrated at how she is treated as the official voice of feminism. She is good at self publicity and is great on TV.
I tend to take parts of her work and leave others.

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