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This is wrong right?

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DukeOfSussex · 18/09/2018 19:31

If your teenage daughter had her first week at the University of Sussex this week this is what found in her welcome bag.

A Pot Noodle, A tablet of washing detergent, a sim card and an individual sized portion of instant coffee.

AND

A picture of a woman designed to look like she has spunk dripping down her face to sell toothbrushes. "whether you spit or swallow during your twice daily oral regime..."

She'll also find a drinks night event by the Student union being advertised all over campus. It has a picture of a dead eyed half naked woman laying in an empty bath...which advertises what? Fuck knows.

She will also find a copy of the student newspaper in her bag. On the front cover at the very top of the page is an article entitled "Transphobia and toilets". This is discussing the recent words of University of Sussex philosophy professor Kathleen Stock who dared to very (politely) question some aspects of trans theory.

Your daughter, if disabled, will also be concerned to see that some of the disabled toilets have been declared "for all genders". Which is lovely and inclusive but not ideal if you're disabled and need a wee and need to wait for an able bodied non binary male wearing lipstick to go for a shit first.

She will find that the "This Sussex Girl Can" all women only classes are open to all "women, trans gender people and non binary individuals" so just mixed classes basically .

So far so expected of university in general but what upsets me is that people wanted Kathleen Stock's job for having an opinion. She caused students to feel "unsafe" with her very words, but in a world where women are literally unsafe and sexual assault is endemic in universities, Sussex student union didn't think twice before objectifying its female students. If your employer gave you a goody bag with this card in it you could rightfully be making a formal complaint to your HR department. Why is it appropriate for university?

We can't discuss why it's always a woman advertising drinks, or toothbrushes without discussing women and the group of people who actually deal with the real repercussions of being women. It's a bloody joke.Why don't people care about actual sexism, real life objectification of women.

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BabyTeeth · 20/09/2018 21:30

Me too

Elephantinacravat · 20/09/2018 21:29

The alternitive is that the people complaining are sex-negative and slut-shaming.

I was wondering when the 'don't be sex negative now will you' brigade would come out of the woodwork...

Also hilarious is the idea that being a woman or a man is a right? What the fuck? You either are, or you aren't? Seriously, what is wrong with these people?

DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 21:29

I did one

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BabyTeeth · 20/09/2018 21:28

Anyone done an ASA complaint yet?
It might - just might - be worth it this time as they have finally added ‘gender’ as a category that they can assess an ad on.

DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 21:26

"clever" was sarcastic yes! I wanted to explain he was talking about this thread as he calls it an "article" which to most Buzzfeed/Gawkermedia readers this may well seem to be. Thought that might confuse people. There aren't any gender critical article also being written about the story, though the link is attached to one Twitter who is being used in some of the stories.

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disorganisedXX · 20/09/2018 21:21

the right to be a woman. No one has a right to it. You either are one or you aren't.

Indeed in spades. This is about women. This is a female abuse issue and any men trying to co opt it into something else are clearly not getting the message.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/09/2018 21:18

Another clever poster, referring to this thread

Is that sarcasm

Its just that im multitasking and may have missed something

DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 21:18

I thought slut shaming was trying to make a woman feel bad for having sex /wanting to have sex? What's that got to do with sexist marketing?

No. Just put them on your social media team and let them clean you mess. Because you're basically a drunken monkey throwing your own poop.

thought slut shaming was trying to make a woman feel bad for having sex /wanting to have sex? What's that got to do with sexist marketing?

God knows, maybe that woman really enjoys expressing her sexuality through explicit beer mats.

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DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 21:15

I feel a bit stupid that - due to a lack of experience - I just thought that would be toothpaste mixed with spit. Disgusting looking but normal. But ... somehow the article linked in disturbs me. On the one hand the user wants to fight sexism, on the other the user seems openly transphobic against a trans FEMALE. Should only cis ladies be protected? He/She wants to raise awareness for women’s problems in real life and takes away people’s rights to BE a woman? Sad. Especially when that hurts the cause, as those ads ARE sexist.

Another clever poster, referring to this thread. I don't want to take away the right to be a woman. No one has a right to it. You either are one or you aren't.

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stillathing · 20/09/2018 21:12

I thought slut shaming was trying to make a woman feel bad for having sex /wanting to have sex? What's that got to do with sexist marketing?

BabyTeeth · 20/09/2018 21:06

Last comment on the Buzzfeed post - hire more female creatives.
This would work, so why don’t they?

Oh I know, because then another pillar of the patriarchy will crash to the ground and the ad bros aren’t having that.

DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 21:05

I want Neckbeardâ„¢ to explain if it is more or less sexist if men also got it, and the way he came to that conclusion.

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BabyTeeth · 20/09/2018 20:55

Another poll. Although...
... not 100% sure of the credentials of this media outlet:
mobile.twitter.com/theotleyrun
Also only 3 people have done it.
Grin

This is wrong right?
Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/09/2018 20:54

It's kinda important when it's being labelled as 'sexist

No its not you complete twunt

DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 20:48

From buzzfeed

NeckBeard:
Does anybody know if male students also got this box? The article doesn't mention it.

Womanbeingmansplainedto:
Who cares? It's in all-around bad taste no matter who you give it to.

Neckbeard:
Sinead Buckley It's kinda important when it's being labelled as 'sexist.' The alternitive is that the people complaining are sex-negative and slut-shaming.

For the record, I don't think women are sluts, Neckbeard. I do think you're a fucking idiot though. Sex positive means women wanting to have sex when they want it, not when they feel forced by external pressure from their university that they spent £9,000 to attend. It also doesn't mean that all women want to suck cock all day. Ooh how heteronormitive of you.

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Ereshkigal · 20/09/2018 20:42

Agree Charlie. What does it even mean?

Ereshkigal · 20/09/2018 20:41

I'm hoping it will make Marketing Week!

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 20:41

Trans identities are valid is such an empty statement

Ereshkigal · 20/09/2018 20:41

Typical Independent to have a poll. 'we aren't sure if this shitty thing is shitty. Let's leave it open to doubt by asking all the shitty sexists what they think'

sums it up! Grin

GColdtimer · 20/09/2018 20:38

"clearly shows that you have done zero research into the science behind trans identities. Biologists agree that sex and gender are separate concepts, and that identities outside of cisgender exist and are valid"

Well I feared I hadn't done enough research into this hugely difficult area. So I just asked a biologist. A proper one. She has a PhD and everything. She said you are talking absolute bollock. HTH.

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 20:36

Oh yeah it's because you don't mind dismissing women's fears but you are actively afraid of XY

BabyTeeth · 20/09/2018 20:34

Crossed the pond!
This one takes a good angle and is well written and funny.
www.fastcompany.com/90239607/brand-wtf-of-the-week-brushbox-somehow-made-a-toothbrush-sexist

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 20:34

Typical Independent to have a poll. 'we aren't sure if this shitty thing is shitty. Let's leave it open to doubt by asking all the shitty sexists what they think'

Why don't you do a poll on whether men are women, ya big flakes

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 20:31

Male female type split?

BabyTeeth · 20/09/2018 20:28

Brexit-like split

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