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This is wrong right?

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DukeOfSussex · 18/09/2018 19:31

If your teenage daughter had her first week at the University of Sussex this week this is what found in her welcome bag.

A Pot Noodle, A tablet of washing detergent, a sim card and an individual sized portion of instant coffee.

AND

A picture of a woman designed to look like she has spunk dripping down her face to sell toothbrushes. "whether you spit or swallow during your twice daily oral regime..."

She'll also find a drinks night event by the Student union being advertised all over campus. It has a picture of a dead eyed half naked woman laying in an empty bath...which advertises what? Fuck knows.

She will also find a copy of the student newspaper in her bag. On the front cover at the very top of the page is an article entitled "Transphobia and toilets". This is discussing the recent words of University of Sussex philosophy professor Kathleen Stock who dared to very (politely) question some aspects of trans theory.

Your daughter, if disabled, will also be concerned to see that some of the disabled toilets have been declared "for all genders". Which is lovely and inclusive but not ideal if you're disabled and need a wee and need to wait for an able bodied non binary male wearing lipstick to go for a shit first.

She will find that the "This Sussex Girl Can" all women only classes are open to all "women, trans gender people and non binary individuals" so just mixed classes basically .

So far so expected of university in general but what upsets me is that people wanted Kathleen Stock's job for having an opinion. She caused students to feel "unsafe" with her very words, but in a world where women are literally unsafe and sexual assault is endemic in universities, Sussex student union didn't think twice before objectifying its female students. If your employer gave you a goody bag with this card in it you could rightfully be making a formal complaint to your HR department. Why is it appropriate for university?

We can't discuss why it's always a woman advertising drinks, or toothbrushes without discussing women and the group of people who actually deal with the real repercussions of being women. It's a bloody joke.Why don't people care about actual sexism, real life objectification of women.

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Zeugma · 19/09/2018 09:22

I'm not sure they're necessarily all that woke - although yes, they're appearing to be. I think it's maybe, depressingly, more cynical than that. It's all about the money

FeminaSum · 19/09/2018 09:20

This is appalling. I started university as a mature student a few years ago and I'm glad that I wasn't given anything remotely like this.

I had plenty of reasons for not attending university at the traditional age but one of the contributing factors was that the impression I got of university was that it was like more school, except that you had to live with classmates and there was nothing to stop them from being loud at absurd hours of the night and keeping you awake, and you were expected to get drunk a lot and have lots of sex. I was quiet, studious, and not interested. I didn't have any family or friends who had been to university and could present a different perspective.

It's just awful that young women are being presented with images like this as representative of university life.

hugoagogo · 19/09/2018 09:19

From the dig in site, one of the suggested ice breakers:
5. Girls
It’s unlikely because you’re a filthy fresher but if you have access to a group of young ladies, whether they’re from uni or your homelife, bring them to your flat for pre-drinks one day and most of the fellas you dorm with will want to talk to you.

Honestly, like moths to a flame. Scary.

PineappleSunrise · 19/09/2018 09:05

Yes, progressive thinking these days is to allow yourself to imagine that the be-lipsticked, porny mouth dripping with toothpaste may belong to a woman with a penis.

NOT to ask why it's always a feminine mouth used when sex is selling something as boring as toothpaste. Hmm

Notonyournellly · 19/09/2018 09:01

Ugh that's grim. So edgy!!

Going off topic... no one swallows toothpaste, do they?

wigglybeezer · 19/09/2018 09:00

DS has just finished Freshers week at what's generally regarded as a small, old fashioned uni, he hasn't mentioned anything to me ( he knows my terfy proclivities) but then his SU was kicked out of the NUS years ago for a different kind of wrong think...

OvaHere · 19/09/2018 08:58

Wow. This is appalling. How on earth did that get approved? Do the uni have no oversight in what the student union hand out?

BiologyMatters · 19/09/2018 08:55

Oh look 3 no doubt woke bros behind this. What a shock.

Charliethefeminist · 19/09/2018 08:52

Bowl, totally agree, do students really think they're progressive and we are the old stick in the muds?

This thread is MN fabulous. Analysis and publicity of something truly horrible that has passed most people by, then the digging starts and more horrors are revealed, and finally the culprits are exposed. I'll be talking to my university kid about it, and my daughter. I don't suppose we can do anything to end this Dig In contract but I'd like to give it a go.

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/09/2018 08:33

Grim. I went to uni about 25 years ago and as far as I can remember the welcome pack was tea/coffee, flyers for societies (sports, politics etc) flyers for pastoral services, vouchers for the local takeouts etc, pot noodles, cuppa soups etc.

Welcome to Sussex - know your place, wimmin!

gendercritter · 19/09/2018 08:32

That's disgusting. If I had received that on starting university, I would have felt genuinely intimidated, out of my depth and anxious about what pressures lay ahead. There is already enough peer pressure out there.

cordeliaflynne · 19/09/2018 08:30

I can't help thinking that messages like this, aimed at young women, are one of the driving forces behind the increasing numbers identifying as men. It is so sad.

Datun · 19/09/2018 08:28

How is achingly right on now meaning Women! To avoid being lonely get drunk and suck men's cocks.

I'm utterly sick to death of female emancipation being synonymous with men telling women to have sex.

NameChangedAgain18 · 19/09/2018 08:27

I was actually amazed and relieved to read that Kathleen Stock received tenture, I thought for sure Sussex would get rid of her, so until this thread Sussex had been going up in my estimation.

Stock already had a permanent job - it was a promotion to Professor she received recently. I really don’t think any university would sack an academic for taking the position she has, as she is speaking from a position of expertise, and universities are currently on a warning from the government over freedom of speech. The problem is always the students union and Twitter TRAs raising a mob and demanding sackings, plus a few other academics dishing out abuse and threatening your reputation.

sausagebap · 19/09/2018 08:26

Is this where the lecturer who had her students make lego sculptures representing intersectionality works?

NameChangedAgain18 · 19/09/2018 08:21

Students Unions are revolting cesspits of misogyny and authoritarianism. This “suck a dick” goody bag disgusts me, but doesnt really surprise me.

hellandhairnets · 19/09/2018 08:18

Duke of Sussex

Wouldn't happen - girls aren't allowed pubes these days, remember...

Ereshkigal · 19/09/2018 08:17

I wonder if all their "welcome boxes" are the same. As a young woman recovering from a domestically violent relationship when I started uni, I wouldn't have felt very welcome.

DukeOfSussex · 19/09/2018 08:17

You don't need a kick back though. It's sex positive. Hey, it's a woman, she's being represented! Wait did you just assume her gender?

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DukeOfSussex · 19/09/2018 08:16

Oh that's, that's shocking that is. Three men. Who'd have thunk it.

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hellandhairnets · 19/09/2018 08:15

I went to Sussex years ago ( the trusty Pot Noodle still making an appearance, I see ) and it was as right-on then as ever but you would never have got something like that appearing without an almighty kickback. That ad is just unacceptable. Who approved it?

BabyTeeth · 19/09/2018 08:15

Meet the Dig In Bros

This is wrong right?
MrsWinkly · 19/09/2018 08:12

DukeofSussex
Grin

DukeOfSussex · 19/09/2018 08:10

I demand a man furiously scrubbing his teeth because "She likes that minty zing in the morning". Or a man flossing to get the pubes out Grin

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DukeOfSussex · 19/09/2018 08:05

Maybe they can include a sandwich recipe book for the lady types in next year's box?

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