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This is wrong right?

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DukeOfSussex · 18/09/2018 19:31

If your teenage daughter had her first week at the University of Sussex this week this is what found in her welcome bag.

A Pot Noodle, A tablet of washing detergent, a sim card and an individual sized portion of instant coffee.

AND

A picture of a woman designed to look like she has spunk dripping down her face to sell toothbrushes. "whether you spit or swallow during your twice daily oral regime..."

She'll also find a drinks night event by the Student union being advertised all over campus. It has a picture of a dead eyed half naked woman laying in an empty bath...which advertises what? Fuck knows.

She will also find a copy of the student newspaper in her bag. On the front cover at the very top of the page is an article entitled "Transphobia and toilets". This is discussing the recent words of University of Sussex philosophy professor Kathleen Stock who dared to very (politely) question some aspects of trans theory.

Your daughter, if disabled, will also be concerned to see that some of the disabled toilets have been declared "for all genders". Which is lovely and inclusive but not ideal if you're disabled and need a wee and need to wait for an able bodied non binary male wearing lipstick to go for a shit first.

She will find that the "This Sussex Girl Can" all women only classes are open to all "women, trans gender people and non binary individuals" so just mixed classes basically .

So far so expected of university in general but what upsets me is that people wanted Kathleen Stock's job for having an opinion. She caused students to feel "unsafe" with her very words, but in a world where women are literally unsafe and sexual assault is endemic in universities, Sussex student union didn't think twice before objectifying its female students. If your employer gave you a goody bag with this card in it you could rightfully be making a formal complaint to your HR department. Why is it appropriate for university?

We can't discuss why it's always a woman advertising drinks, or toothbrushes without discussing women and the group of people who actually deal with the real repercussions of being women. It's a bloody joke.Why don't people care about actual sexism, real life objectification of women.

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ScipioAfricanus · 19/09/2018 12:45

By the way, I was a 20 year old virgin and I still have no fillings nearly 20 years later, so it’s possible to be both passionate about dental hygiene and not expect to be giving oral sex twice a day.

DukeOfSussex · 19/09/2018 12:45

So you admit you meant to reference blow jobs?

I don't think there is any way they could deny it. Short of literally saying "Welcome to university Suck a dick".

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IAmLurkacus · 19/09/2018 12:45

Now that it has been highlighted to you that this has caused offence and is misogynistic, what steps will you be taking?

Can you reassure us that students will not be confronted with promotional materials like this again?

DukeOfSussex · 19/09/2018 12:44

From the Brushbox website I can see that the poster here ^ is most likely female, which is why cleaning up some twat's mess is her job.

I am sorry though as that answer is nonsense and the best way to teach young people about gum disease is not through the medium of wearable beermats of a woman dripping with spunk/toothpaste.

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ScipioAfricanus · 19/09/2018 12:42

Because that in itself has to be seen as predictably offensive to many members of religious groups going to university and very many women who do not want to be reduced to sexual caricatures.

Tellin · 19/09/2018 12:41

Do you consult women as part of the design process? Interested to know why you thought equating brushing your teeth with oral sex was in any way necessary or appropriate and anything other than flat out misogynistic.

PineappleSunrise · 19/09/2018 12:41

Did you make any versions using a masculine mouth, @BrushboxUK? Why did you choose a female one?

(I'm sure your creatives are familiar with design critique. What are their reasons for this design instead of a male version?)

ScipioAfricanus · 19/09/2018 12:40

So you admit you meant to reference blow jobs?

BrushboxUK · 19/09/2018 12:37

The image was meant to be tongue in cheek and spark awareness for what is a serious issue, namely the fact that huge portions of the population suffer with really poor oral health (80% adults have at least 1 filing, 48% are unhappy with their teeth, 29% suffer from regular dental pain). We appreciate that this is not made immediately clear in the small amount of space available on the insert however this message is made very clear elsewhere in our literature.

This is something we feel passionately about and the fact is that conventional methods of highlighting these fact to people, to date, have not worked. Whilst our image was intended to raise eyebrows, at no point in time was it ever our intention to cause outright offence. In particular, there was never any suggestion or intention (consciously or unconsciously) to be derogatory towards women in any way shape or form, this is something we would never do and we are sorry if this has in any way made you feel this way.

DukeOfSussex · 19/09/2018 12:36

I'm assuming the advertisers pay for the opportunity because if any part of a student's 9000 pounds went towards buying shit boxes so they can be marketed at it would certainly cause uproar.

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Charliethefeminist · 19/09/2018 12:29

Who pays for this anyway?

Charliethefeminist · 19/09/2018 12:26

And Sam gyimah isn't he universities minister. And Victoria Atkins tho I don't know if she is on twitter. Naz Shah? Does Labour have a universities lead?

Carrrotsandcauliflower · 19/09/2018 12:26

Emailed brush box to complain about that advert it’s disgusting. Shame on them.

BabyTeeth · 19/09/2018 12:17

Bowl ok I will try but I’m not a 100% competent Twitter user!

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/09/2018 12:08

Can we tweet that at Penny Mordaunt, babyteeth?

I’m just gobsmacked (no pun intended) if that’s their marketing. It’s beyond hideous.

So sad. I feel so sorry for girls growing up now

JackyHolyoake · 19/09/2018 12:07

scarbados "When someone gets outraged about a situation that's normal and universal, I'll be as snarky as I want. Does the OP give a flying one about this is what all disabled people have to cope with every day or is it meant to be different for students at university? It's acceptable for the rest of us, right?"

Eh? The OP said this: "Your daughter, if disabled, will also be concerned to see that some of the disabled toilets have been declared "for all genders". Which is lovely and inclusive but not ideal if you're disabled and need a wee and need to wait for an able bodied non binary male wearing lipstick to go for a shit first."

So is very unhappy that facilities for disabled users are being redesignated for everyone else.

For the record, I agree with you and OP on this.

TiaMariaAndCoke · 19/09/2018 12:05

Ghastly.

Everything everywhere is so bloody sexualised.

BabyTeeth · 19/09/2018 12:03

Hang on Bowl I made the link to consent bit!

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/09/2018 12:01

That is hideous. Absolutely hideous.

If Penny Mordaunt wants to look at why there’s a 4000% increase in young girls opting out of of girlhood, that flyer and consent ad is a prime example why.

Liz3891 · 19/09/2018 11:58

I literally never thought I'd see the day toothbrushing was sexual.

BabyTeeth · 19/09/2018 11:45
  • or is it consent?! Who knows in that sexed up Brushbox world!
This is wrong right?
Datun · 19/09/2018 11:42

5. Girls
It’s unlikely because you’re a filthy fresher but if you have access to a group of young ladies, whether they’re from uni or your homelife, bring them to your flat for pre-drinks one day and most of the fellas you dorm with will want to talk to you.

Two blow jobs a day, and bring your mates for us to objectify. We don't care where you get them from, just bring them here.

I'm dumbfounded.

Completely agree that if they are that woke, let's have a bloke with spunk dripping off his chin. Given to all the boys. We'll soon fucking see how woke you are then.

And yes to Sarah Vine. She doesn't understand feminism, but she gets very heated over this sort of thing.

scarbados

You'll get no argument here over able-bodied people using accessible loos.

Which is why people are even more annoyed that disabled loos are now being offered to able-bodied people if they don't want the sex segregated ones.

BabyTeeth · 19/09/2018 11:40

Indeed, Brushbox.

This is wrong right?
xxmarksthespot · 19/09/2018 11:39

But the fact that there's no society unscarred by male violence suggests it may be innate, which is a depressing thought.

It's innate. Socialisation is the extent to which and the manner in which they express it. We know that left to their own devices we get Lord of the Flies, and worse.

BabyTeeth · 19/09/2018 11:35

Hello Brushbox bros

www.brushbox.com/pages/team

Ok there are women on the PR and Social side but management, brand and design is totally bro.