This is wrong right?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3371978-Woman-maybe-kills-3

Today’s discussion on why we need the words and freedom to name Male violence.

Dr Stock of Sussex Uni in her own words:

www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/06/changing-the-concept-of-woman-will-cause-unintended-harms

Standing up for women and girls does not mean being anti transpeople.

Got it. Happy to xx

This thread does need credit. Much unpaid labour has been done here - and elsewhere - to provide content for hundreds of thousands of clicks.

Please link any stories back to this thread, any journos reading it - it’s important to see it in context (and we want the hits for Mumsnet, who continue to host discussions that have been near universally shut down elsewhere - see what happened at Durham University and indeed, what’s been happening to Dr Stock at Sussex - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3371733-Times-reporting-the-sacking-of-Angelos-Sodocleos )

We need words to have universal meanings so that we can describe women’s experiences and collect data on sexual harrasment, sex discrimination and violence against women and girls. This is all connected.

Tanya: I don't think Duke wants you to send her a link to the story. She would like you to link to the twitter thread if you use the pics. Is that right Duke? Or did I misunderstand.

Hi DukeofSussex - new to mumsnet, thank you for sticking up for me and thanks for permission. Will certainly send you a link, Tanya

Apologies. My Twitter is Tanya_Gupta. Happy to delete my Mumsnet account.

If you genuinely work for the BBC you would know you can't trawl for interviews on Mumsnet, Tanya. Fast way to a ban.

Reported.

If you're getting comments why not give Kathleen Stock a call.

Sussex and its student union prides itself on it's wokeness, but when it comes to sexism it looks the other way or outright contributes to a hostile environment for women I don't think it is unfair. That they're all doing it is doesn't change it for me

Me neither. I'm really curious about the 'lad culture' advisory panel set up 3 years ago using a pilot of 9 universities which includes Sussex. I wonder if there is a report of any progress made. I am going to dig further.

Nothingontelly - they have been around a while, remember Cameron's pig head...

metro.co.uk/2015/09/23/8-university-initiations-that-are-just-as-strange-and-distasteful-as-piggate-5402845/

And thanks babyteeth. DD will be fine. I worry though about welfare efforts being directed solely at the symptoms, not the problem. The problem includes the messages given, including those in the OP but all over social media, to young people, both male and female. Symptoms include a massive rise in reported anxiety rates, suicide rates, a huge increase in rapid on-set gender dysmorphia (I will leave it to Penny Mordaunt to work out the causes), and seemingly increased use of self-medication through drugs and alcohol (when did taking ket become near-universally accepted.)

Time for Universities and SUs to step up, consider what the problems are and take steps to address them.

Fraternities and Sororities, Nothingon?

And no, we don’t have them (although there is probably something similar between the absolute poshos at Oxbridge, clubs like the Bullingdon etc) and we certainly shouldn’t be importing them.

needsmoresleep, I'm sorry to hear about your DD's friends experiences.
Doing HE is a risk, sadly one young people can die from taking.

Thye never had "initiations" when I went to uni in the mid 90s.

Has this come from USA?

We dont' have the brotherhood of man and sisters of mercy or whatever it's called (genuinely can't remember!) - the "greek" stuff they call it or something - so what are they being initiated into?

Thanks Duke - strike while the iron is hot and all that.

I do tihnk that the visual imagery is what has caused this to go viral - so putting this unconsious semi naked bath woman snap next to teh come bog one would leave the university with even more questions to answer.

And they can't say they didn't know / no-one had seen it, if they're up all overcampus.

Hopefully someone will have quietly taken them down but who knows.

Day to day Universities turn a blind eye to a lot of unacceptable sexist, and dangerous, behaviour. They seem only to respond when such behaviour gains national attention, perhaps through unacceptable rugby club behaviour or leaked group chats.

A friend and I once compared notes of date rape drug incidents our daughters had told us about across several Universities, and it was shocking. There seems a pattern of Universities not highlighting incidents so that girls can be more cautious. Ditto initiations, which are supposedly "banned", but which take place anyway. DD went to two which were fine, and fun, but others on the same campus were not safe. with organisers doiing next to nothing to protect young students.

The University DD attends is already under fire over a number of shocking suicides. Their response, in part, has been to withdraw Hall wardens, and indeed only senior residents (PGs etc who spend a certain amount of time organising hall activities in exchange for free accomodation) only remain as a result of student protest. Add in the fact that budget cuts mean that many students will not have personal tutors, and poor attendence, even when monitored, is often not not followed up.

The justification, I assume is that everything is fine because 18 year olds away from home for the first time, are adults. Priorities instead, are revamping toilets to meet the needs to transgender students, at a cost of over three times the Universities' annual welfare budget:

thetab.com/uk/bristol/2018/09/13/bristol-university-to-introduce-gender-neutral-bathrooms-in-all-buildings-34168

But it is not fine. Absolutely not fine. This week 18 year olds will be sharing University flats with 11 complete strangers, in a city with arguably the highest rate of drug use in Britain (at least that's what sewer samples suggest), with no effective curbs on anti-social behaviours, and be expected to have the time of their lives. Don't forget that this is the first internet/Fb generation, and some boys (and girls) will have had their world views skewed by porn/Kardashians/etc.

At least two unacceptable, probably criminal, incidents happened to girls in DD's flat. The University appears to make no effort to encourage reporting of incidents, and when reports happen, the support offered can be disappointing. And that is before you consider whether all managed the transition to the student version of adulthood without problem.

Errol is right. Sussex is not alone here. The problem is wider. Both University authorities and Student Unions need to step up.