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This is wrong right?

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DukeOfSussex · 18/09/2018 19:31

If your teenage daughter had her first week at the University of Sussex this week this is what found in her welcome bag.

A Pot Noodle, A tablet of washing detergent, a sim card and an individual sized portion of instant coffee.

AND

A picture of a woman designed to look like she has spunk dripping down her face to sell toothbrushes. "whether you spit or swallow during your twice daily oral regime..."

She'll also find a drinks night event by the Student union being advertised all over campus. It has a picture of a dead eyed half naked woman laying in an empty bath...which advertises what? Fuck knows.

She will also find a copy of the student newspaper in her bag. On the front cover at the very top of the page is an article entitled "Transphobia and toilets". This is discussing the recent words of University of Sussex philosophy professor Kathleen Stock who dared to very (politely) question some aspects of trans theory.

Your daughter, if disabled, will also be concerned to see that some of the disabled toilets have been declared "for all genders". Which is lovely and inclusive but not ideal if you're disabled and need a wee and need to wait for an able bodied non binary male wearing lipstick to go for a shit first.

She will find that the "This Sussex Girl Can" all women only classes are open to all "women, trans gender people and non binary individuals" so just mixed classes basically .

So far so expected of university in general but what upsets me is that people wanted Kathleen Stock's job for having an opinion. She caused students to feel "unsafe" with her very words, but in a world where women are literally unsafe and sexual assault is endemic in universities, Sussex student union didn't think twice before objectifying its female students. If your employer gave you a goody bag with this card in it you could rightfully be making a formal complaint to your HR department. Why is it appropriate for university?

We can't discuss why it's always a woman advertising drinks, or toothbrushes without discussing women and the group of people who actually deal with the real repercussions of being women. It's a bloody joke.Why don't people care about actual sexism, real life objectification of women.

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AngryAttackKittens · 20/09/2018 11:28

(Points up) Is that name in honor of the recent thread about Scots slang?

I'd think the most useful things for student to receive would be simple guides on budgeting, time management, and basic food preparation.

NoHaudinMaWheest · 20/09/2018 11:23

My dd has just started at university. She is a wheelchair user, autistic, studious, a non drinker and (at the moment) totally uninterested in sex.

I have a lot of worries about her but I did think she would be safe as she is not going to get involved in drinking culture etc.
No I am not so sure.
She is not at Sussex but her Student Association has been mentioned here before for its 'wokeness'.

Don't think she had a welcome box of any kind though.

When I started at university (41 years ago) the Students' Association sent a pack through the post which included a Students' Handbook. This included articles on drugs, alcohol and sex among other things. As a very naive student from a strict religious background, I found the clear factual information really helpful and reassuring.
Surely that is the type of thing Student Unions should still be giving to new students.

DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 11:23

Without a nose oral sex of all kinds would be impossible. So yet again, another fail.

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DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 11:22

What's interesting is that while it alludes briefly to "more women than men" it gives no figures.

I haven't read it I admit but i could hazard a guess as to the sex of 98% of the sexual attackers were though.

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NothingOnTellyAgain · 20/09/2018 11:21

DH said yesterday "why hasn't she got a nose?".

I said "maybe she didn't have a very nice nose anyway they're not interested in her nose" lol

Have just updated him.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 20/09/2018 11:16

""Nearly two thirds of students sexually assaulted or harassed at university"

I read the piece as well.

What's interesting is that while it alludes briefly to "more women than men" it gives no figures.

It was also a self selecting reponse thingy so >> who knows.

Anyway yes I agree :D

But - I also read a thing recently about how they did a study (and why the fuck they were studying this I have no idea) but anyway they found that men who had a woman tell them that they hadn't done very well on a test, afterwards found ideas about women being raped & similar much more appealing than before a woman mildly upset them by saying something factual and neutral.

So for this it would be interesting to measure the actual psychological impact of objectifying imagery being shown to men and women while they are doing something.

It would be interesting too, to see how exposing men to objectifying images of men while they are trying to get on with something normal impacted on them.

Iused2BanOptimist · 20/09/2018 10:57

OMG Absinthe Don't give them ideas!

DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 10:52

Duke, after I posted I realised it should probably be Your Grace

Also good Grin I really should be DuchessOfSussex but some bastard got in their first for presumably a royal wedding based name change.

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MipMipMip · 20/09/2018 10:50

Oh god. Sorry for the x-post. Blush

MipMipMip · 20/09/2018 10:48

In case anyone is wondering about the cut out that is so you can fasten it under your nose and look like you too are practising good oral hygiene by dripping spitting not swallowing. Oh the fun!

AbsintheFriends · 20/09/2018 10:47

There's a thought, optimist... I wouldn't rule it out. They've probably got the photoshoot scheduled - 5 different women, dribbling spunk. Collect them all! Arrange swaps!

Duke, after I posted I realised it should probably be Your Grace Grin

BabyTeeth · 20/09/2018 10:46

New to Uni? Not sure how to suck cock yet? Don’t worry, many 18 year old girls don’t. However, it’s so easy - like brushing your teeth - look, try this on for size, maybe take a selfie? Or ask your new friends to take the pic for you and pass it around so you can tell everyone you’re learning the ropes pretty good. Fake it till you make it! Soon you’ll be doing it twice a day, only takes two minutes a go! What do you mean, where’s the library? Get your priorities right lady!

DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 10:42

If I find one of these (and I will be looking) I will be asking serious questions.

University of Portsmouth (I think) were tweeting pics of the pyramid of boxes they had to hand out to students. I refuse to believe no one looked in the box.

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Iused2BanOptimist · 20/09/2018 10:40

Thanks for the explanation Absinthe
I thought it was part of a jigsaw with more to come!Grin

BettyDuMonde · 20/09/2018 10:40

We’re dropping our eldest off at uni on Saturday.

If I find one of these (and I will be looking) I will be asking serious questions.

DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 10:40

Milord has a lovely ring to it.

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AngryAttackKittens · 20/09/2018 10:38

It's about as progressive as one of those pens where you tilt it and the woman on it's clothes fall off.

AbsintheFriends · 20/09/2018 10:38

x-post, duke. (Milord?)

AbsintheFriends · 20/09/2018 10:37

Fellatio beermat woman doesn't have a nose because one is supposed to suspend the beermat from one's own nose, giving the hilarious impression of having spunk spilling out of one's own mouth. What an icebreaker! Not just in your face, but ON your face.

I'm sure it was high fives and beers all round in the brushbox office when they came up with this genius party-game themed idea.

Datun · 20/09/2018 10:35

Women do worse on maths tests wearing bikinis than they do when wearing a sweater.

god knows how they do when they've got the twat next to them gurning under a beer mat of a woman covered in spunk.

And that ^ is the for ever image that I am taking away from their spunkommercial.

DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 10:35

It's like a moustache on a straw but for idiots.

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DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 10:34

She has got a nose. You put your nose through geddit? So you can look like you're giving head. Or so you can wave it at the girl next to you.

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BiologyMatters · 20/09/2018 10:30

That picture makes me feel more sick the more I look at it.

AngryAttackKittens · 20/09/2018 10:29

Just noticed that our toothbrush fellatio beermat woman doesn't have a nose. I mean, what do women need noses for anyway, eh, @Brushbox? Can you fuck them?

Datun · 20/09/2018 10:25

It would be interesting - if you were a psychologist type - which I'm not :D - to try and measure the effects of unexpectedly being given this image in a "welcome pack" for a new university or job or volunteering position or whatever (I suppose they set the scene somehow) - and see what effect it had on the comfort and confidence and so forth male students vs female.

This is what happens:

"Universities home to a rape academic"

"Sexual harassment at academic levels in UK universities"

"Nearly two thirds of students sexually assaulted or harassed at university"

@brushbox can consider themselves as significant and (now highly prominent) contributors.

I also can't forgive them for being stupid enough to issue the archetypal non-apology recognised as doubling down by the entire population.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2017/mar/05/students-staff-uk-universities-sexual-harassment-epidemic

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/02/universities-rape-epidemic-sexual-assault-students

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/nearly-two-thirds-of-students-experienced-sexual-assault-or-harassment-at-university-study-finds-a3779521.html%3Famp