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This is wrong right?

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DukeOfSussex · 18/09/2018 19:31

If your teenage daughter had her first week at the University of Sussex this week this is what found in her welcome bag.

A Pot Noodle, A tablet of washing detergent, a sim card and an individual sized portion of instant coffee.

AND

A picture of a woman designed to look like she has spunk dripping down her face to sell toothbrushes. "whether you spit or swallow during your twice daily oral regime..."

She'll also find a drinks night event by the Student union being advertised all over campus. It has a picture of a dead eyed half naked woman laying in an empty bath...which advertises what? Fuck knows.

She will also find a copy of the student newspaper in her bag. On the front cover at the very top of the page is an article entitled "Transphobia and toilets". This is discussing the recent words of University of Sussex philosophy professor Kathleen Stock who dared to very (politely) question some aspects of trans theory.

Your daughter, if disabled, will also be concerned to see that some of the disabled toilets have been declared "for all genders". Which is lovely and inclusive but not ideal if you're disabled and need a wee and need to wait for an able bodied non binary male wearing lipstick to go for a shit first.

She will find that the "This Sussex Girl Can" all women only classes are open to all "women, trans gender people and non binary individuals" so just mixed classes basically .

So far so expected of university in general but what upsets me is that people wanted Kathleen Stock's job for having an opinion. She caused students to feel "unsafe" with her very words, but in a world where women are literally unsafe and sexual assault is endemic in universities, Sussex student union didn't think twice before objectifying its female students. If your employer gave you a goody bag with this card in it you could rightfully be making a formal complaint to your HR department. Why is it appropriate for university?

We can't discuss why it's always a woman advertising drinks, or toothbrushes without discussing women and the group of people who actually deal with the real repercussions of being women. It's a bloody joke.Why don't people care about actual sexism, real life objectification of women.

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DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 15:40

This Sussex Girl Can is a campaign that I have been involved in, which aims to get more women into sport at the university

I know women with vaginas are very boring but you do realise that women's sports are one of the main reasons so many women become gender critical? I'd ask you "to do some research" but I doubt you will.

You are going to look back at posting this one day and cringe. Really, I'm so embarrassed for you. This little corner of Mumsnet is home to academics, lawyers, doctors, scientists, journalists, politicians ...the list goes on and on. The posts here amount to hours and hours and hours of considered research, discussion and analysis of the trans debate and Mumsnet is generally very left-wing. You are a sneeze away from having graduated and yet you've come here to put us on the right path?

God I wanna high five you so hard right now.

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DukeOfSussex · 20/09/2018 15:36

I have friends in her classes/on her course that feel unsafe"

My lord, what has she done to them? Surely not disagreed. Why that's literal violence.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sussex-university-lecturer-student-girlfriend-criminal-conviction-beat-up-assault-lee-salter-a7183391.html

Sussex University let senior lecturer continue teaching after he beat up student girlfriend

Where as that^ is just boring old violence violence. How do you think the women in his classes felt?

Btw someone from Huffpost wrote to me asking if they could speak about this story. I said no because I fear doxxing and violence. I'd like to be braver but I have children to worry about, this means that I can't discuss something that matters to me. Literal violence is what happens to women daily. You're far safer as a transwoman than a woman. That's statistics. That's true.

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Bowlofbabelfish · 20/09/2018 15:30

Its a bit like a less scary version of the candyman

When you say science it’s like an invocation

They don’t want to play... sad face.

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 15:28

I quite like 'I braved mumsnet and this is what happened' types

Makes me think of a room full of indulgent relatives placidly watching a five-year-old playing a dramatic cops and robbers game complete with supremely well-acted violent death.

OrchidInTheSun · 20/09/2018 15:28

Haha - that's exactly what it's like Rufus Grin

gendercritter · 20/09/2018 15:25

Ha! Me too. Even if Bowl hasn't got the memo that it's 2018 and all the science has changed Sad

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/09/2018 15:24

I love it when someone says the science word and then bowl turns up

Its a bit like a less scary version of the candyman

Bowlofbabelfish · 20/09/2018 15:22

But the science!

Someone has found an extra sex on top of the two we have and I need to tell the Nobel committee!

Won’t someone tell me the science..? No? Oh I’m sad now.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/09/2018 15:20

Anyway

They are a plopper

I've no time for ploppers

gendercritter · 20/09/2018 15:19

*like

gendercritter · 20/09/2018 15:19

Oh no, no, no. Cringe. Don't tell people that was you.

Sheesh. Embarrassing. I actually genuinely feel sorry for you now. Women are collateral damage in all of this and you've just made yourself look lile a right turkey

stillathing · 20/09/2018 15:13

Ohhh. You mean she's not going to come back and explain how science has moved on? I paused a fairly good podcast for this.

disorganisedXX · 20/09/2018 15:12

Why always this menzneedy derail?

This thread is about women not menwomen actual women, the ones being abused by the objectifying welcome pack in 2018. We women don't like it, we don't agree with the pornification of teenagers, we are protesting against it. Know your place men.

AbsintheFriends · 20/09/2018 15:12

Only 1 like so far though...

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/09/2018 15:12

ruth... mate

I really wouldnt be telling people about it

It really wasnt very good

AbsintheFriends · 20/09/2018 15:10

I KNEW this would be a stunt for twitter virtue cookies...

twitter.com/ruth_walshe/status/1042769648826101760

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/09/2018 15:10

feminist he is 15 now and no better Grin

NothingOnTellyAgain · 20/09/2018 15:07

"This can be lending an ear, getting a taxi, helping someone find their friends, minor first aid, and a whole host of other things, which are aimed at especially making women safer on nights out. "

Presumably transwomen take precendence over "cis" women when it comes to all thes things?
The cis women I expect are mainly the ones providing the service for the more oppressed women amongst them?
And then when the night is done they can walk home by themselves, safe in the knowledge that they are at very low risk due to cis privilege.

FeministPumpkin · 20/09/2018 15:06

Rufus that sounds good! He knew the word and knew how to apply it, roughly, you’ve done a grand job to get that far with him! He’s still only wee too Smile

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/09/2018 15:01

Thanks charlie Grin

gendercritter · 20/09/2018 15:01

She peddled the same myth that is peddled by the far right, that trans inclusivity will lead to "men dressed as women attacking women in the toilets". If you do some of your own research, you will realise how ridiculous this premise is.

I just had a read over your post.

You are going to look back at posting this one day and cringe. Really, I'm so embarrassed for you. This little corner of Mumsnet is home to academics, lawyers, doctors, scientists, journalists, politicians ...the list goes on and on. The posts here amount to hours and hours and hours of considered research, discussion and analysis of the trans debate and Mumsnet is generally very left-wing.

You are a sneeze away from having graduated and yet you've come here to put us on the right path?

Just no.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/09/2018 15:00

betty

Oh he is one of a kind Grin

Very quick witted and has quite the way with words...very dry sense of humour....and a very pretty boy, not that I'm biased

disorganisedXX · 20/09/2018 14:59

As a member of a family dealing with complex disability and all the access nightmares that go with that on a daily wheelchair using basis I would like to thank the trans community for benefiting us by building more accessible toilets - oh wait a minute...

NothingOnTellyAgain · 20/09/2018 14:59

I'm very glad your mixed sex sports taster thingys are successful

Genuinely

That's great

Don't say they're for women though - be honest about who they are for. They are open to anyone who wants to come, and that is fine.

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 14:59

I like your boy rufus
'daddy doesn't shave'. 'well I think he should' Grin