Guardian comments opportunity

Shackup

A very insignificant number of people aren't XX or XY. Incredibly tiny.

If you happened to be one of those people, I don’t think you’d find it insignificant.

How many are not XX or YY? Nobody has done a mass chromosome test.

DonnaBe
Your sex is defined by your reproductive system, even if it is incomplete or non-functioning. This also applies to those with DSDs - all of whom are either male or female, not both or neither or some sort of third sex.

Interested to see it got closed for comments quite early. I was on and it seemed to be pretty lively. I suspect things may have been getting out of hand and mods struggling to keep up.

There are only two sexes, DonnaBe. There is no third sex.

What you’re saying is that you yourself allow only 2 categories of people in relationship to sex and gender. I presume these would be male and female.

You’re perfectly free to use those categories. Can you tell me how you can decide, unambiguously, which category any particular person should be in?

Let’s leave out trans people for the purpose of this discussion.

For society to function we have to be able to differentiate between men & women, the fact that some trans people don’t understand that, is a real stumbling block to accepting trans people within a caring society. We know trans women exist, it’s not transphobic to say we don’t want them in women only spaces.

There's no hate, Donna, nobody is expressing hatred, just a yearning to be listened to about the endangering of women's rights/safeguarding with bad law and policy, that, as a byproduct, does the trans community no favours.

Donna

A very insignificant number of people aren't XX or XY. Incredibly tiny.

No - thanks for posting it oldcrone.I was starting to doubt myself - wondering what I had said that was so offensive.

There are only two sexes, DonnaBe. There is no third sex.

It’s really depressing because the Guardian is such a prominent platform for debate.

Not on this issue it isn't. They won't allow it. It's a misogynist rag.

corlan
I hope you didn't mind me posting your comment here. I can't see what was wrong with your comment. Looks like just facts to me. Maybe the Guardian just doesn't like anyone writing anything that looks like the truth.

If transwomen are women, what is the definition of "woman" that fits the bill? If one can assert that X people are Y, presumably one can first define X and Y or the whole thing becomes nonsensical."

It’s literally difficult to define women and men in a way that includes everyone in the category they think they should be in. Even if you exclude trans people, it’s hard to do.

And before you start, the chromosome thing doesn’t work. A significant number of people are not XX or XY. Do you want to exclude them due to something that happened when they were an embryo?

Yup, I’ve often had gender-critical comments deleted, even though I’m always extremely polite and rational- just like the comments quoted above. It’s really depressing because the Guardian is such a prominent platform for debate.

Yes - it is nice to have a debate. I really mean that. It's nice to hear different opinions. Unfortunately,the debate didn't stay civilised very long!

I think people ARE listening, which is making other people very uncomfortable

That thread now has more holes than a fishing net.

No-one's prepared to listen to us.

That article now closed for comments. So much for free speech hey!

Oh well, it was nice reading the civilised debate while it lasted..

The Guardian is a woman hating rag.

I posted something along these lines:

"If transwomen are women, what is the definition of "woman" that fits the bill? If one can assert that X people are Y, presumably one can first define X and Y or the whole thing becomes nonsensical."

Nuked within about half a nanosecond. I think the Grauniad (or at least the duty moderator) has swallowed the narrative that politely questioning the assertion that TWAW, even politely asking for clarification, is in itself transphobic and mod-worthy. Oh well, on the bright side that's a monthly subscription that I'm not going to have to pay any more.

Looks like thecGuardian spotted what you’re up to and deleted all your hate comments.
Some of mine get deleted as well, so don’t take it personally.

I commented that in women’s sport trans identified males are winning medals whilst competing against women-zapped. Fascinating that the guardian don’t want/aren’t allowed to publish the truth!

I commented on.that guardian thread (in relation to antisemitism, not transgender) and it was deleted, for absolutely no reason I can see.

Guardian mods are extremely censorship-happy.

Just been on and am being VERY CAREFUL about what I say. So much kool aid sloshing around...

Deleted too.