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How John McDonnell wooed Mumsnet - James Kirkup

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womensvoicesmatter · 18/09/2018 18:47

I must admit I was pleasantly surprised that he tackled the women's rights / self ID questions, I thought he'd avoid them!

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/how-john-mcdonnell-wooed-mumsnet/

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Pywife2 · 18/09/2018 19:46

I didn't feel like he avoided the questions about self ID and women's rights, but he essentially said what Corbyn said all those months ago - we will have a genuine discussion and I'm sure we can come to a consensus. This didn't happen, although the structures within the Labour Party are there to enable it to happen throughout the party, not just at leadership level. Instead, we find that 'transwomen are real women', they are taking places on women only shortlists and as women's officers, and the equalities minister has only the most cursory meeting (under pressure) with women's representatives.

So essentially, McDonnell said the right things, but I will only believe it when I see it. Also, what did he mean about having a serious look at this over the next few months? The consultation period for self id ends on October 19th and if it's not Labour Party policy to vote against it, they have failed women.

It's also going to be so much harder to have that kind, reasonable discussion now that things have got so polarised. I won't be fooled twice and I'm sure a lot of women who are still in the party will now be suspicious. That good will is lost. But worse, how do you draw back from promises to 'the most oppressed group of people since time began' and not lose face? What do they tell all the woke supporters who have fallen for this crap? Apart from 'We were never at war with Oceania'.

They've seriously fucked up.

AngryAttackKittens · 18/09/2018 19:17

The question is, how smart a politician is he? Because if he's smart what he'll have taken away from this is that handling this issue in a way that women aren't happy with will lose him/Labour the election, and we're not going to allow it to be sidestepped.

Freespeecher · 18/09/2018 19:08

Says here he did avoid them - it's Guido so there's an angle but he's right to identify MN as being at the heart of the debate.

order-order.com/2018/09/18/mumsnet-mcdonnells-jammy-dodger-trans-women/#disqus_thread

CrackpotsArePots · 18/09/2018 18:56

contrast, not 'contract

CrackpotsArePots · 18/09/2018 18:56

Compare and contract the patronising tone of Zoe Williams in the (I don't know why I ever read it) Guardian. "A splenetic and righteous crowd". Nice.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/18/john-mcdonnell-mumsnet-power-shadow-chancellor

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 18/09/2018 18:55

What joy!