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Dangerous sex offender transferred to women's prison, Peterborough

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doedoe90303811 · 18/09/2018 07:00

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

Shaun Pudwell 'posed as a girl' to try to rape girls of 12 and 13 years old.
www.thefreelibrary.com/Cyber+creep+facing+prison%3B+He+posed+as+a+girl.-a0169721830
Now Shaun is legally recognised as a girl, under the name of Michelle Lewin, and has a gender recognition certificate. This is a mechanism designed to keep secret, with criminal penalties, the fact Michelle has male biology.

As Michelle has a GRC Michelle has a right to be in women's prison. That is the system TRAs created and lobbied for.

Michelle is under an indefinite sentence, which means that it's deemed that Michelle is a very dangerous sex offender for whom normal punishment rules don't apply, it's more important to protect the public from Michelle.

However this protection is not apparently extended to the women & girls (it's a female YOI) in HMP Peterborough having to share with Michelle.

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hackmum · 18/09/2018 09:07

It must be horrific for those poor women in that jail.

Do you have any idea where the Sun got that figure of 25 from? I haven't seen it before. The one figure we do know is that there are 125 trans prisoners (without GRCs), but we don't know if they're in male or female prisons.

Annandale · 18/09/2018 09:07

Brilliant idea floisme.

This seems so gobsmacking that i almost can't believe it is real. The sun is getting a lot of clicks from me as i keep going back to read it again.

As i undrstand it, when ireland moved to self id, prisons were specifically excluded in some way. At least that should be possible. But how on earth did this pass any risk assessment? What is tge risk assessment? My traffic light risk sheet fir this would have looked like a case of measles, there would have been so many red bits on it. My guess would be that tgere is simply no level of risk that would lead to the conclusion 'this person should not be in the female estate' because it is not quantitative and because rape of imprisoned women and babies is mot taken seriously. The risk of a trans prson killing themselves is a red square, and tge risk of them raping multiple women is a red square, and they cancel each other out.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/09/2018 09:03

I have no words, they really hate women don't they! Which idiot thought this is a good idea! Women's safety at the bottom as usually, men using their priviledge and power over women, to get what they want. How many women will be hurt or abused in prison, for somebody to take action.

Floisme · 18/09/2018 08:51

I’d like to see WPUK (or sister org) holding their next meeting in Peterborough and inviting the governor, MP and local press.

LurkingWaspi · 18/09/2018 08:48

I've emailed the editor of the local paper, and linked to this thread and also the Karen White thread and JK in Spectator.

CurbsideProphet · 18/09/2018 08:44

This is a new and even more terrifying version of Gilead.

Tellin · 18/09/2018 08:44

What angers me the most here is that no one cares about how women feel being around ML. It's not even about whether actual sexual offences are committed but the environment of fear these women now have to live in.

A sex offender with a penis given free range in a women's prison isn't really any different to providing a convicted murderer with a knife and letting them walk around the prison with it. And that's before you think about how many women in prison have been victims of sexual violence and are likely to feel particularly vulnerable around a rapist.

Tellin · 18/09/2018 08:38

Along with 'you've got nothing to worry about' and 'it never happens'

AngryAttackKittens · 18/09/2018 08:37

Today in "what could possibly go wrong?" and "who ever could have predicted this?"

LurkingWaspi · 18/09/2018 08:36

Editor of the local paper ...anyone tweet?
I'll email
Peterborough Telegraph

[email protected]
Twitter: @ptmarkedwards

Tellin · 18/09/2018 08:36

The argument I've seen on the GRA thread is that even if you have a GRC, you can still be lawfully discriminated against (ie excluded from women's spaces) on the grounds of gender reassignment.

Seems not to be the case in practice and this person has been legally treated as a woman, despite clear and obvious reasons to exclude them from the female estate.

It's just misogyny, where the identity needs of men are prioritised above the safety of women and safety.

LangCleg · 18/09/2018 08:36

A convicted paedophile was issued with a GRC?

And, as I understand it, while they were serving their sentence and from inside prison.

I FUCKING HATE THE WORLD.

StopPOP · 18/09/2018 08:36

This is fucking outrageous

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 18/09/2018 08:34

Supposedly there's a panel that decides. What do they ask, "can you pay the fee?"

I think it is just a admin process. A sex offenders just had to demonstrate that they have used a female sounding name for a given amount of time and pay a fee.

www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2017-10-06/105995/

Looks like very few applicants are refused.

HotRocker · 18/09/2018 08:30

If this incarcerated paedophile can go through the current gatekeeping system and still get a GRC, it’s not a good foreshadowing for what will happen under self ID.

GulagMilkMonitor · 18/09/2018 08:27

Maybe we need a thread for a protest?

JuneOsbourne · 18/09/2018 08:25

Not just poor women. HMP Peterborough has a 12 place mother and baby unit according to the MoJ.

LurkingWaspi · 18/09/2018 08:23

www.justice.gov.uk/contacts/prison-finder/peterborough

Category B prison apparently, privately run. Mother and baby unit ...Angry

Not much point in involving the local Labour MP Fiona Onasanya
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-labour-mp-appears-court-12979550

IAmLurkacus · 18/09/2018 08:23

I’m up for it

Hopefully one of the groups will organise? This really is enough.

AngryAttackKittens · 18/09/2018 08:21

A "low level sex pest" with a sexual interest in toddlers. Isn't it lovely how seriously our legal system takes safeguarding?

GulagMilkMonitor · 18/09/2018 08:21

Can we go and protest outside Peterborough prison?

I’m up for it.

IAmLurkacus · 18/09/2018 08:20

Rupert Hallowes is a Grade A piece of shit!

IAmLurkacus · 18/09/2018 08:19

Can we go and protest outside Peterborough prison? If this case doesn’t scream repeal the GRA I don’t know what does. If Amnesty International has any fucking moral compass whatsoever they would be all over the fact that the U.K. is abusing the human rights of incarcerated women!

glassandahalf · 18/09/2018 08:17

I wonder why they changed their surname as well as their first name.

It seems Michelle changed their surname when they married Mark Lewin in prison in 2014. Mark Lewin has himself been in prison several times, dating back to 2008, for possessing and creating indecent images of children, as well as upskirting offences.

The UK Database for crimes against kids - Mark Lewin

Back in 2008 Mark Lewin was jailed for 100 weeks after admitting two offences of voyeurism for the purposes of sexual gratification and six of possessing indecent images of youngsters.

Officers found almost 1,400 images on his laptop and phone, depicting the sexual abuse of young females by adult males.

Some of the photographs were of toddlers aged less than two years old, Guildford Crown Court heard.

Defending Mark Lewin in 2011, Rupert Hallowes said that ultimately little harm had been caused by his client's actions.

"The conduct is the behaviour of a low-level sex pest, if I can put it that way," Mr Hallowes said.

Just a low-level sex pest. Well, that's okay then.

OrchidInTheSun · 18/09/2018 08:13

A panel where Jay Thingy, founder of Gendered Intelligence, is a member. Gendered Intelligence is an organisation that actively encourages children to identify as trans

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