Dangerous sex offender transferred to women's prison, Peterborough

seafret I completely agree and was a bit bemused by the thread deletion on the basis of two threads running, especially as the FWR had started last night.
Hopefully as Errol says MN will consider closing to comments should this happen again.

Its such an important discussion with serious implications so needs to be talked about.

Seafret- there's some discussion on the parallel thread thing on the 'public announcement' thread - hopefully MNHQ will take on board the suggestion to close rather than delete a parallel thread if they feel there shouldn't be two.

Heads up that this thread may be deleted if there is a parallel one one running in AIBU.

THis has just happened with the thread in FWR about mastectomies.

So sorry Rowantrees I did not know that MN would do something like that. Why would they? Diffferent people, different conversations. Not really a duplicate. A FWRer mentioned making an AIBU of somethng while ago and today I thought more people need to know so jsut did it.

I hpe this thread will stay up.

scepticalwoman
It has been established that there are 25 MTF transsexuals in women’s prisons currently. If they conform to the ratio of 48% convicted as sex offenders which is the ratio identified for MTF transsexual prisoners as a whole, that suggests there are 12 convicted MTF sex offenders in the women’s estate. What stage they are at in their transition is undisclosed.

I wonder how many other male born sex offenders like this are in women's prisons that we have yet to hear about?

Oh that's probably the charmer who's just turned up another thread. Thinks he's clever. Isn't

I saw this on Facebook today. Oh the irony.

I'm in absolute shock that a person in possession of 1000+ images of child abuse, including of toddlers has been described as a "low level sex pest". WTAF

Indeed. In that category, I'd place blokes on building sites who shout 'Hello, darlin'! You goin' out with me tonight, then?'

Not necessarily even that, IMO. Women and men are typically different sizes and shapes. My DD and I would love some less 'feminine' options on the petite women's rails.

Yup of course you are right. So the one thing I could think of where 'gender' might be used to separate...it still shouldn't be really!

I'm in absolute shock that a person in possession of 1000+ images of child abuse, including of toddlers has been described as a "low level sex pest". WTAF

besides the likes of...separating feminine and masculine stuff in shops. Clothes wise

Not necessarily even that, IMO. Women and men are typically different sizes and shapes. My DD and I would love some less 'feminine' options on the petite women's rails.

“Low level sex pest”
Sounds like the kind of thing a low level sex pest would say if you ask me. Paedophilic crime is paedophilic crime.

Why not let people change gender whenever they like, but base our laws and segregated facilities on sex?

Well, quite.

I genuinely do not care what 'gender' someone considers themselves to be. But sex segregation is about sex. I cannot think of any area thats segregated by 'gender' nor any area that would make sense to be segrgated by that either. besides the likes of...separating feminine and masculine stuff in shops. Clothes wise, not changing room wise.

if one of the current criteria of obtaining a GRC is to live as a woman for two years and part of this living as woman is, as we've been repeatedly told, the necessity to access spaces and services for women (toilets, changing rooms, etc., etc.) how has this been achieved within a prison?

I think I saw a report of one prisoner using the argument that they should be moved to a women's prison in order to get a GRC, because if they were in the women's estate they could prove that they were 'living as a woman'.

Vicky I assume it just means using a “female” name, wearing makeup etc. As though those things are how women live. Living as a women is a nonsense term, unless you are a woman, and not dead.

IAmLurkacus

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@VickyEadie

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if one of the current criteria of obtaining a GRC is to live as a woman for two years and part of this living as woman is, as we've been repeatedly told, the necessity to access spaces and services for women (toilets, changing rooms, etc., etc.) how has this been achieved within a prison?

I suppose a male loo and shower could have been labeled "female'. But we know that male transpeople aren't forced to use female facilities before being issued with a GRC. For a start, how could that be monitored and who is authorised to give them permission? They are using female facilities because they want to.

if one of the current criteria of obtaining a GRC is to live as a woman for two years and part of this living as woman is, as we've been repeatedly told, the necessity to access spaces and services for women (toilets, changing rooms, etc., etc.) how has this been achieved within a prison?

THIS. Who do we ask about this?

I see there are at least a couple of comments under the Mail article of the 'women wanted equal rights' (like that's even relevant in this case) and 'suck it up, you're criminals' variety.

The same sort of people making these comments would be out with machetes and pitchforks if these inmates were released and housed near them and their families.

Heads up that this thread may be deleted if there is a parallel one one running in AIBU.

THis has just happened with the thread in FWR about mastectomies.

Question to TRAs watching this. It seems that there seems to be a high proportion of sex offenders amongst the trans prisoners- is it because they are not really trans and masquerading to get a lighter, easier sentence, or is it that this cohort of the trans population are the ones who are trans due to a sexual fetish rather than dysphoria, or is it just because they are biological males !! Or a combination ....it's not looking good for public support for self id.

HOW is a paedophile allowed to get a GRC while inside ? HOW is it acceptable to house him with women while he “waits for surgery”

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3368989-Trans-Porn-she-cock-she-male-etc

Thank you for the AIBU posts. Sorry if the AIBU is not quite right, or too strong or whatever. Just had to get something out there before i just got lost in tears of frustration.

Mad, mad world we live in. I have to go offline now. Hope we are turning the tide just a little.

There's no precedent set by it, but equally if this person has 2 diagnoses of dysphoria and has lived "as a woman" for 2 years (as far as possible at HMP Littlehey) then there's no further measure of suitability for a GRC.

This 'hack' document was linked on another thread this morning:

'NAVIGATING THE FRUSTRATION OF MEDICAL
TRANSITION FOR TRANS WOMEN IN THE UK'
bytenoise.co.uk/oh-for-fucks-sake/mascara-and-hope.pdf