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Mother's response to Penny Morduant's urgent inquiry into ROGD -

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ToeToToe · 17/09/2018 22:23

Penny Morduant has ordered an investigation into the 4000% increase in teenage girls seeking gender treatment.

A mother tweeted a response:

"My baby's caught up in that number. As parents we resisted permanent changes and medical paths and opted for no rushed decisions, therapy and to ride puberty out. #watchfulwaiting #rogd"

And, dear god, the pile on she's had from certain twitter TAs. This is the social pressure to transition - being applied to both parents and children.

Some of the replies:

"The changes your child will experience in puberty are permanent. Blockers are only there to bide time. I hope your kid survives your abuse and doesn't off themselves, they deserve better. But when they stop talking to you, you'll deserve it."

"I really hope your kid doesn’t commit suicide as a teenager. I hope they cut you out of their life and bloom into an amazing adult."

"You’re the problem here. Your kid will hate you if they don’t commit Suicide first."

"Because your bigotry about being trans is far more important than your child's wellbeing and happiness. How dare you call your child ' your baby' when you are denying their agency and true self. How about supporting, instead of controlling your child?"

This last one is what gc parents and feminists have been warning about all along, surely? - that this is a form of grooming - parents are accused of "controlling" their child, of "denying agency"?! I thought it was pretty well-established in law and safeguarding that a child does not have the maturity required to make such a decision that could have such a serious impact on the rest of their adult life.

Where has this narrative come from? Why the pressure - aggressive, threatening pressure - for instant positive affirmation of pre-pubescent/pubescent children? - social transition, puberty blockers - an almost inevitable gateway to sex hormones and surgery. A life-long dependence on drugs that we have little knowledge of the long-term affects of, and those side-effects we do know of, are not good.

Honestly, I really hope this investigation blows this stuff wide open.

twitter.com/NAutonomes/status/1041488795835793408 Whole thread here.

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MsBeaujangles · 18/09/2018 08:42

The gender extremists really should be shouting in to the wind on this issue. The figures about desisters and persisters speak loud and clear.

The vast majority do not persist and this needs to be at the forefront of decision making.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 18/09/2018 08:34

Yes, that message infuriates me. The prediction is so creepy. Sounds like a triumphant cult leader telling parents their child has joined up

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 18/09/2018 08:32

I've been out on that thread, replying, tweeting and retweeting. Told one dickhead TRA:

You do know that the Tavistock has reported ONE suicide in TEN years? ONE? Lying about child suicide is an appalling thing to do. Predicting child suicide pushes the idea of suicide and is strongly discouraged by all expert guidelines @samaritans

Sotiredallthetime · 18/09/2018 08:19

On that Twitter thread, this post chilled me.
Isn't this the defination of grooming, encouraging separation from their family and into an 'online family' ?

Mother's response to Penny Morduant's urgent inquiry into ROGD -
scepticalwoman · 18/09/2018 07:52

Such an awful thread.
These are the people that are all over social media encouraging children to trans. And they are just the tone deaf foot soldiers who are encouraged and enabled by the wealthy organisations making their money from this movement. So why are they so desperate to encourage parental separation, to medicate children at an age when we don't allow children to even get a tattoo? Why are we allowing children to be targeted in this way?

Velella · 18/09/2018 07:37

Momentary hijack and wrong party but don't forget John McDonnelbwebchat today at 11. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3367889-Webchat-with-John-McDonnell-MP-Shadow-Chancellor-Tuesday-18-September-at-11am
Hijack over. Apologies.

Bowlofbabelfish · 18/09/2018 07:33

Maybe we need an inquiry into the contents of blue hair dye? Wink

ShotsFired · 18/09/2018 07:28

I notice, with gallows humour, that the first two bullies leaping on that woman have blue and red hair, respectively.

KatVonGulag · 18/09/2018 07:12

I'm writing to penny morduant today. This situation is rampant in secondary schools and I want to tell her my personal experiences as a mum and a professional.

Transgender is now a medical rather than a mental disease, so surely all efforts should be put into developing screening to help those that need it, but protect those that flaming well don't.

I keep reading the trans activists saying the science is all on their side, so fine. Should be straightforward.

Ironic laugh

Prestonsflowers · 18/09/2018 00:45

Lass
Maybe the mother tweeted and made it public to show the pressure and verbal abuse a non-believer gets.
You know when they don’t want to toe the party line and stuff their vulnerable child with drugs

Starkstaring · 18/09/2018 00:21

Stonewall's comment on the study was that only a tiny percentage of gender confused teens will transition. Where does that come from? With schools, universities, health services all rushing to affirm you before you have even spoken to a psychologist or other experienced clinician, by the time you get an appointment at the gender clinic you have evidence aplenty of your authentic gender and would meet all the diagnostic criteria. Parents and friends don't dare question you for fear of suicide and because of your fragile mental health. And you are barely out of your teens. How are you going to desist?

TerfedOff · 18/09/2018 00:12

I know this couple and interestingly enough the dad also posts on Twitter and hasn't come in for anything like the same amount of criticism although he has also tweeted about the success of his daughter no longer thinking that she is trans.

They have been on a devastatingly worrying journey with their lovely daughter and thankfully they are coming out the other end with an unsterilised unmutilated unmedicated child who may now go on to have a normal adulthood.

LassWiADelicateAir · 18/09/2018 00:02

I don't understand the need to live one's life out on social media. Of course getting abusive tweets is not acceptable but why did this person not send a letter or e-mail direct to Penny Morduant? What is the point of tweeting this?

HotRocker · 18/09/2018 00:01

Those responses are awful. I won’t click on the link because it’ll give me the rage before bed.
If pm want to know what’s causing ROGD, a quick glance at that thread is enough. She won’t see though, and I doubt she’d care if she did.

BarrackerBarmer · 17/09/2018 23:54

That thread needs to be sent to Penny Morduant. Because that, right there, is one of the answers she is seeking.

Why do so many girls transition in their teens?
Because they are affirmed if they do, told they'll die if they don't.
Because from the very first question of 'am I trans?' The only available route is concrete trans affirmation, with punishment and threats directed at every person involved with that child.
Step tentatively once onto the trans escalator, and there is no stepping off.

Penny needs to see what the alternative is to being affirmed as trans. No alternative is allowed.

KatVonGulag · 17/09/2018 23:44

Since when do we take parenting advise from teenagers and strange men with a spanking fetish.

That mum is doing what the Tavistock Clinic advise surely (or used to) watchful and supportive. Medical care should be first do no harm. Not all these children are trans. They'd sacrifice them for their ideology.

And your child will always be your baby. Even when they are grown. It's an expression of love. Clearly not something that little selection of odious fools could ever get their petty little heads around.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 17/09/2018 23:36

I've been pressing the 'squeal' button like a good'un on the 'helpful' anime-iconed responses all night.

I suspect they are mostly spotty young men with no axe to grind but a bandwagon to jump. The wording is all so gleeful and melodramatic. A bit like my teen when I suggest homework needs doing before computer games...

mssilversprings · 17/09/2018 23:36

@OlennasWimple they are complicit in Coercive Control IMHO as are some of the leading providers of HE - evidently

mssilversprings · 17/09/2018 23:33

@ToeToToe thank you for the welcome 😊

OlennasWimple · 17/09/2018 23:33

Urgh. How is twitter allowing this actual harmful posting to continue?

mssilversprings · 17/09/2018 23:32

@ToeToToe this doesn't surprise me? My colleague and I work: lecture in FE/HE. What is shocking is that daughter 'transitioned' during first year. She did not attend lectures for four months but was supported by the University's LGBT blah blah during that time. Colleague was completely unaware. So yes, when does 'support' become enabling or grooming, even? Where was the due diligence?

Voice0fReason · 17/09/2018 23:28

Some of the responses on that thread are truly awful.
People hoping the child hates her mum or kills herself. It's revolting.

ToeToToe · 17/09/2018 23:18

I had an excellent thread link on the effects of tumblr & the like - I've just tried to link it, and goddamn it, it's gone. Because the user has been suspended from twitter Angry Another gc feminist lost from twitter.

It was basically about her experience of being on tumblr, and how socially awkward/isolated teens would join, and a few weeks later be calling themselves a non-binary trans demi-boi or similar. Social contagion - it's very real.

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ToeToToe · 17/09/2018 23:11

Welcome, mssilversprings.

That must be devastating for your colleague Sad

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mssilversprings · 17/09/2018 23:07

*I should add that I'm a new poster - been hovering for months

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