Women on the left are responsible for austerity

I think the comment element with trans (and I'm thinking specifically of young female transitioners here, and some of the more vulnerable young gay males) is that dissociation can have a huge impact on people's perceptions, and dissociation is also a very common side effect of trauma.

WPUK Statement:
"We can confirm that we have had a meeting in confidence with John McDonnell. That meeting was very constructive and John listened to our concerns and confirmed that women’s rights will be a matter of significance to any future Labour Government. We are pleased he disclosed our meeting to women on Mumsnet who have been at the forefront of pushing politicians on this issue. We encourage more political dialogue and reasoned discussion and hope this can now begin to take place.

Over the past year we have met with several key political figures. We are glad to see politicians increasingly willing to be open about wishing to meet with us and hear women’s concerns. We have been pressing for more such meetings and will continue to do so.

Respectful and open dialogue is the way forward.

18th September 2018"

womansplaceuk.org/wpuk-john-mcdonnell/

True, it is indeed interesting for the wider point of 'identity'. I once saw a youtube video of a person with multiple personality disorder, giving a deposition (superofficially for some court case). It is a fascinating watch and very convincing. Even though what was said was so batshit crazy... I sure wonder, how this condition effects memory. But the person sure believed what he said, if it was untrue, it was not a deliberate lie imo.

Of course like with trans there were also some kids who were basically just playing Dungeons and Dragons online and making up characters and character classes for themselves.

Yeah, obviously.

The theory is that MPD can be caused by trauma over an extended period too. To take that and make it into an "identity" in the same sense that trans is used as an identity I think may point to some really interesting things about how trauma works and unhealthy coping mechanisms.

Of course like with trans there were also some kids who were basically just playing Dungeons and Dragons online and making up characters and character classes for themselves.

I’ve seen DID claimed as a gender identity recently too, like multiplegender or something

did you know that multiple personality disorder was the last big "identity" thing before some of the same people decided they were trans? They call themselves "multiples". Some believe that they have fictional characters and/or historical figures living in their heads.

That is such a fascinating topic! I have read somewhere that multiple personality disorder is caused by severe trauma before the age of three, that is in the time during which personality is formed.

In fact, personality disorders (at least cluster B I believe?) - borderline, narcissistic, histrionic and antisocial - also form in those first three years.

WPUK are not a membership organisation, but a campaign.

Yes, this is a very fair point which I should have considered earlier. WPUK do not have members so aren't accountable in quite the same way I have been talking about.

Noted. Thanks.

Yvette Cooper's report dared to prominently mention that mothers are disproportionally affected by austerity.

The main reason austerity is/was gendered is because of working class single mothers. It's not like there were greater benefit reductions for women than for men, or only women's health services were cut, or only women's legal aid was cut.

Austerity wasn't so much gendered as single mothered. Poor women bringing up children on their own got hammered by almost every cut, while almost everyone else (including women like me) just saw a bit of it.

(Disabled people were hammered by lots of cuts and service reductions at the same time and are/were the other group to be ridiculously disproportionately impacted).

I think there are a few misunderstandings here.

WPUK are not a membership organisation, but a campaign. (Originally conceived as an 'emergency' short-lived campaign for a consultation planned in autumn 2017. Who would ever imagine that we'd all still be here, having fended that consultation off for a whole year and giving us all time to educate, raise awareness, mobilise and prepare better?). Info on structure and funding here womansplaceuk.org/funding/ Note, the invitation to ask WPUK directly if there are questions.

Are WPUK 'Labour women'? There is confusion between the Labour Party and the wider labour movement (including trade unions). WPUK have always been totally open about the trade union background of its founders. It is upfront in the founding statement here: drive.google.com/file/d/0B4hJVribfFSUc2Q3VTJoYi1RWjQ/view Some in WPUK are members of the Labour Party. Some are members of other parties or none.

WPUK has made guidance on the GRA consultation available which is accessible to and useful for anyone completing the consultation, irrespective of their party political affiliations. womansplaceuk.org/wpuk-guidance-on-gra-consultation/

Judith Green will be at FiLiA Conference in Manchester in a panel on Feminist campaigns speaking about WPUK - I'm sure there'll be a Q&A filia.org.uk/speakers-2018/2018/9/6/judith-green

Indeed.

(The internet has taught me so much about how profoundly weird humans can be, and how desperately many people search for something to hang their sense of identity on.)

I’ve posted before just not very frequently because there’s a lot of bad faith in here which is understandable.

Aside - did you know that multiple personality disorder was the last big "identity" thing before some of the same people decided they were trans? They call themselves "multiples". Some believe that they have fictional characters and/or historical figures living in their heads.

Obviously.

Lovely, are you the OP?

Yes I wondered that too. Except that Lovely references the OP as a separate person whose question needs to be answered. So it obviously can't be true, I guess.

Agreed, beyond. Facts matter. (Just not every fact matters for every argument, as you also implied).

Lovely, are you the OP?

I wonder as Lisa was on about squirrel earlier and you're named "lovely bit of terf". Plus this is your first thread and the OP seems to have gone, while you've taken the argumentative/contrarian torch up from her/him.

"FPFW became an official thing about a year ago"

Nope. I already said the website has existed for two years.
Which is entirely irrelevant anyway. I just don't like inaccuracies

you conflate the terms 'support' and 'faciliate'. one implies a conscious act, the other does not. you did that inadvertently, right?

Yeah, including rants even about her writing style, I mean ... glasshouses come to mind.

Note to all: as long as we remain trapped in a society of agriculture that uses glass houses, the rules about glass houses and stones still stand!

Maybe the rest of us could start a new thread to talk about the various women's groups addressing trans stuff and how it impacts women, since this one is clearly a lost cause.

The issue is women on the left and austerity. And CarrotyO’s questions have not been answered.

But to get back to her point, it’s fatuous to suggest that anyone consciously supports austerity/the deaths of thousands of disabled people.

Disagreeing with this narrative is neither abusive, ignorant or wrong. It doesn’t mean you have a blind spot or are an unthinking tribalist. It’s just a different point of view, that’s all.

Oh please post on Mumsnet again Lisa.

I haven't got a fucking clue what this thread's about and I haven't got time to get to grips with it, but I love your videos and I bet I'd love lots of your posts.

Please post on MN.

Unless the OP would like to ask MNHQ to change the thread title to "We Hate Lisa" it would be great if we could talk about something other than how much people hate Lisa.

No history re-written at all. FPFW became an official thing about a year ago but was about unofficially as a discussion group on various sites for eons beforehand.

This is gas lighting par excellance. FPFW has never been the issue here.