Women on the left are responsible for austerity

I read your comments. You dont have any idea what am going on about, you dont have any idea about the systems discussing, you dont have any idea about any of it but you identify with the word left so I have to be abused, so does Posie, cos you feel virtuous and if I could kindly not mention how policy that killed 100k people was held up because it injures your identity that would be lovely and then you'd stop behaving this way to people? I dont disagree with the lefts methods. I disagree with your belief that you can behave this way because you believe you can identify as opposing something you dont understand and you believe that the word left means you have to then protect that with all your mind, you believe tha threads like this are normal behaviour and fuck the people you harm with your behaviour eh?

100k people DEAD because of policy but we cant discuss how our trade unions and labour left just played their part inactively facilitating that, we cant discuss their role in normalising abuse of women and jewish people to do so, or that they did so knowingly from the start, because you are the priority. Get some help. You are clearly delusional

I don’t normally engage with this kind of thread, but nobody is responsible for something unless they had the power to set and implement the policy.

I disagree. The demands of the opposition have a considerable effect on the Overton window of political discourse.

Carrotyo you appear to believe I care that you do not know what I am talking about. I know you have no idea what I am on about its why you have behaved so appallingly to me to protect your political identity> because you havent a clue what am on about. Which is why its a problem that your peers and comrades have our trade unions cos they dont either.

Maybe Doctor, no they havent had a sniff of power. They are still our opposition. and a consensus has to be upheld. When it is challenged by one party it is no longer a consensus. that has not happened. Being in opposition doesnt mean powerless its just that Labour spent eight eyars abusing women and jewish people and having internal squabbles to maintain it.

Left means exogenous. Attached to. Usually causes that are not your own with the sole intention of imposing your own identity and usually requiring abuse of the vulnerable so that can be maintained. As we have seen. It is a word people are encouraged to make part of their identoity so they will behave this way. Usually sincerely and with no insight into it. Reality harms that identity and people behave predictably to protect it. IUts why we have the threat of fascism minutes away from Dwoning Street.

I don’t normally engage with this kind of thread, but nobody is responsible for something unless they had the power to set and implement the policy.

Labour haven’t had a sniff at power since 2010.

As it seems impossible for a woman to ever lead the Labour party, blaming women for a policy that they neither had the position nor the power to enact seems utterly far-fetched!

Carryto you appear to have major issues. You said you identified as the word left and you started this now you seem fucking upset. I am upset. You are a bully and it is people like you and your delusional identity that were let rip on women in the last eight years. It was people like you who ejected people from anti-cuts meetigs because they didnt meet left wing urity standards, it was people like you who targeted me because I knew these policies ad systems. You need to take responsibility and learn to manage your identity and your beahviour. I am not interested in assisting you in managing either. You are clearly dangerous.

Unless carroty is right. Its reasonable to refuse to discuss political consensus on policy that killed 100k people, and the way its still in place and upheld, because it might injure Carrotyo's identity to discuss those people and the role of the political culture carrotyo identifies with. Priorities eh? I'll remember in future. Dead people is a fair price to pay for an intact false and delusional political identity.

There was a consensus in Labour, our trade unions, local authorities, think tanks, academic disciplines, and I just attended the LSE and its still firmly in place there so I am confused as to where this opposition was. I recall the family court hearing where I had to explain that I hadnt understood when accepting invitations from the Guardian and Oxford University and the Labour Party ad my trade unions that left wing activists would put my five year old at risk of violence for discussing political consensus on austerity. Yes there was consensyus. Local Authority bidgets were agreed pre election 2010, we all knew where the axe would fall and welfare reform received no oppostion and Universal credit is now causing system collapse. Sorry to burst bubbles. Its quite effective having a political culture who identify as good and identify as opposing something when they are upholding it. They will fully harm women to uphold it, they will put kids at risk and feel its a virtue. As we have seen with the bollocks spouted by @carrotyo

Ah, Lisa posted while I was typing. Never mind!

This is just a thread to annoy Lisa Muggeridge because she's been posting on the boards over the last couple of days, amirite?

Her assertion is, as I understand it, roughly as follows: during the coalition government and Ed Miliband's leadership of Labour, the party felt that the public was behind the idea that some austerity following the financial crash and the level of public debt.

So they went for an austerity-lite line in order to triangulate. So Labour at that time was saying some cuts are ok but we're not as mean as the evil Tories. Lisa's problem is that she feels the cuts that were ok all fell on women and had the effect of rolling back equality (interplay between legal aid, DV and the Children Act as one example).

So for Lisa, Labour would have been pretty much as bad for women as the Tories actually were.

Her concomitant assertion is that any woman pointing this out was demonised and attacked by Labour activists, especially those proclaiming themselves on the left of the party. This has left Lisa with a very strong belief that Labour left activism is toxic. Women now branded TERF by Labour left activism may well have sympathy for this view.

HTH for anyone wondering what on earth this thread is all about.

I'm talking about women who organise on the left and who support Labour. It's not that complicated.

Indeed, it is not. If those women supported Labour while Labour supported austerity, then the answer is obvious. As far as I understand Lisa talks about only a few very specific women in WPUK who specifically supported Labour's collusion in maintaining austerity.

I guess, we'll have to hear from Lisa who that was and what they did, but your apparent working assumption that women on the Left who support Labour (which has colluded in maintaining austerity as a matter of public record, as my link shows) are summarily incapable of supporting the maintainance of austerity, if only because their class privilege makes them blind to the issue (in analogy to said Labour MPs), strikes me as naive.

You want to tell people you identify with the people presenting a direct risk of fascism, you go ahead. You do not exploit those of us who lived with austerity and we abused by your comrades for discussing it because you are delusional. The word left is just a delusion which makes you the type of person who will abuse on demand to hold up toxic consensus. Thats all it is. It doesnt exist outside your head which is why you have to abse people to maintain it. Sorry dude, there is no conceivable way the left could have opposed austerity subject to absolute political consensys by abusing women and demanding they didnt discuss it. You'd have to be mad to think that possible, or just have the word left in your identity.

Sweety, sweety, do you need a reading luist. Lets start with the Labour manifesto shall we? Upheld welfare cuts even AFTER they were undeliverable. Dont you think thats odd after eight years of austerity? You dont think its odd that a culture who ONLY exist to derail discussion into the word left havent noticed the systems impacted by austerity? You dont think its odd that a centrist dads movement of elite educated posh boys were the spokespeople for austerity that killed a hundred thousand people and those people were nowhere to be seen and noone has yet discussed the unbroken consensus on welfare reform?

The left are a delusion in their own heads. You cant identify as someones representation any more than you can identify as their sex, and the left abused women so that they could identify as our representation openly. Which you saw. But you identify as our representation and you identify as doing something even though you would have to be delusional to imagine you could perceive anything ut perfect unbroken consensus on austerity. Now do you want me to list the economics departments, social policy departments, the academic disciplines at the core of this or are you just having a tantrum because someone pointed out that putting women and kids at risk of violence to make you feel pure is a bit psychopathic? By the way., It is.

We wouldnt need to do what we are doing to get recognition of safeguarding if the left had opposed austerity. We wouldnt need to deal with system failure in our welfare system and local authorities.
Identifying as something and it being true are not the same and your behaviour to me because I suggested your delusional identity is leading you to behave abusively rather demonstrates my point rather than refutes it. You have issues. The word left seems to be at the root. Its leading you to bizarre behaviour.

The left go on about the neo liberal consensus. THats real. Its unbroken, you can see local authorities and welfare reform at the heart of it. Women are breaking it because we are not being derailed into left right tribal nonsense.
Unfortunately what you also did when you actively prevented women challenging austerity, actively facilitated it, is because of your false identity you decided to start abusing jewish people., I suppose a big jewish conspiracy is easier than saying a bunch of privately educated posh boys just actively facilitated austerity by abusing women, and thats what the Labour left is. Get over yourself, get a therapist and stop behaving like this to protect your delusional left identity.

There was no bloody consensus about austerity, that's for sure. Plenty of people were warning against it. I don't understand the argument about it's being women's fault either. Is that me being dim or the argument being fatuous?

Nah

I think, and I’ll come back in the morning to read properly, that you’re misrepresenting what Lisa Muggeridge said there.
Just a smidge.

Are you saying female Labour MPs are not women on the left who support Labour? Or are you saying women on the left who support Labour MPs who support welfare cuts don't support welfare cuts?