Women on the left are responsible for austerity

I dont know a single working class woman who wants to spend all fucking day foraging for nuts and berries. We've got more important things to worry about.

Agriculture has been around for less than 10k years. Humans have lived for 200k years.

How many humans have lived in those hudreds of thousands of years before the advent of agriculture? And how many can Earth sustain in the absence of agriculture. Somehow, all those extreme ideologies correlate with an inability to do Maths.

CarrotyO

We see you. And we see what idiots like you have done to the Labour Party, you’ve made it unelectable, and the many women here who worked tirelessly at grassroots level supporting the party for years and years, (mostly in voluntary capacities), are fucking furious at the shambles it has become.

You may think you can turn women against each other, that will be your undoing.

Agriculture has been around for less than 10k years. Humans have lived for 200k years. We don't need agriculture. Agriculture is inherently destructive, it depletes the soil, it destroys the landbase. It means that other life forms can't live there as it's solely used for producing food for humans. Agriculture is an authoritarean and human supremacist system. It is destroying our planet. All your food is grown with chemicals, you think that's healthy?

The only reason this planet maintains billion people is agriculture. And even agriculture wouldn't be enough without nitrogen fertilizers. Now you can be against that, but then you'll have to be for austerity on a whole new level, an austerity designed to 'cull the herd' by billions of people. Starving to death is less healthy than those fertilizers and herbicides, you know.

But yeah, if you want to end human supremacy by ending humanity in order to give cockroaches a shot... why would you even oppose austerity?

Carrotyo, targeting Posie Parker and putting her kids at risk IS purity politics. You have demonstrated EVERYTHING I said. EVERYTHING. Yet thought you were refuting. Thats the power of a false identity. It will make you do that. Always ask yourself , is this real? Left is a word you made part of your identity, not relevant to me outside that word being the one that stopped me discussing policies killing people...

I have a dear friend who's an anarchist who'll be very surprised to hear that she's not on the left!

(Sorry, all, I know I said I wouldn't engage, but come on.)

Also me. Sometimes, you just can't help it, right?!

Blimey. An anarcho-primitivist - all the Is, my friend, all the Is - who also believes in authoritarian no-platforming for wrongspeak! Life is full of surprises.

Lisa's opinions make a lot more sense than wanting to get rid of agriculture...

(Sorry, all, I know I said I wouldn't engage, but come on.)

I feel like you actually have no idea about how left-organising people have been spending their time.
I do care. Because it is usually entirely focused on you demanding people subsume what they are discussing so it fits with your identity and that is very harmful to those people. I wish you'd stop organising to prevent action, I wish you'd stop organising to impose your delusional purity politics which justifies your abuse of people. No I dont care about your identity or how much effort goes into maintaining it, I care about the consequences and you dont want us to discuss the consequences because well...shame...so you just stick to abusing women for insulting your delusional identity and preventing people discussing reality. Am sure it cant be harmful can it? How many dead people woudl it take to intrude on that? I'll be honest with you if you had told me in 2010 that in eight years I would be fighting the left to discuss these systems I'd have looked at you like you were mad cos I assumed I was of the left. nope. Left are the reason we have no trade unions, and outside your organising to prevent anyone discussing anything that impacts your identity and the impact you have no connection to anything real.

Thanks Lang they’re useful posts. And thanks for all your contributions Lisa I don’t always manage to keep up with you but I enjoy your posts and have learnt a lot from you. I’m sorry for everything you and your child have been through.

I feel like you actually have no idea about how left-organising people have been spending their time.

LOL.

Over and out!

Thanks for clearing that up, Langcleg.

Also , if you are opposed to agriculture - a human activity that has been a necessity for millennia - then you are happy to see billions starve. Thats not left wing, its not socialist and it isn't feminist. Its authoritarian.

My question is how you think women who organise on the left are responsible for that?

Lisa doesn't say only women on the left and not the men. Never has.

But left organising prioritises party messaging. And party messaging on austerity hasn't lined up with the reality of proposed policy. See both my previous posts on this thread for true examples.

If left organising demonises people who point out the gap between party messaging and actual policy, the demonised people are going to get pissed off. And I think, as I've already said, a lot of women on this website have seen how TWAW left activists have gone after gender apostates, so they may well be inclined to credit Lisa when she says they did that over austerity too.

This. Is. Not. A. Difficult. Concept. To. Grasp.

Actually, this has all just reminded me of a good question to put to John McDonnell in the upcoming webchat...

... Labour's 2015 manifesto devoted 4x as much money to (mostly middle class) students than it did to reversing welfare cuts (for mostly working class) women. Will the next manifesto devote any more cash to women?

Lisa you rock 🍺💪

Labour now has nothing bu5 nothin* to do with working class women anymore
They don’t care anymore. It’s a party taken over by I don’t know who but they definitely don’t care about working class women.
Feck I even hate that class thing as it’s shite to have us in classes
Shite but hopes you know what I mean

Oh and Carrotyo. that aint feminism, it aint socialism, its narcissism. Thats it. You identify as. Well your identity is bullshit. And its leading you to behave badly to women you dont know.