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Women on the left are responsible for austerity

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CarrotyO · 17/09/2018 21:59

I've heard it said that women on the left actually support and are therefore in some way responsible for austerity. This is because both Labour and the Tories support austerity. Therefore any woman who supports Labour, or the Left in general, also knowingly and consciously supports austerity and are therefore also responsible for the 1000s of deaths of disabled people caused by austerity. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

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IAmLurkacus · 18/09/2018 20:53

OK thanks, I have heard of we need to talk

lisamuggeridge · 18/09/2018 20:41

Fair Play for Women's facebook page are now deleting politely asked questions about anti-semitism and political consensus on austerity and blocking posters who ask them but NOT blocking people posting anti-semitic content. They will not respond on twitter and will not acknowledge this either. So I am posting this here.

(I am crap at abbreviations and much else- We need to talk are WNNT WTTTN and whatever abbreviation I manage to put down).

IAmLurkacus · 18/09/2018 20:08

Should that be WNTT? Or if not who are WNNT?

NettleTea · 18/09/2018 19:56

As far as I am aware WPUK are upholding women and TIMs with GRC but no self ID
FPFW seems more 'we accept all TIMS are men, but in order to not initially get the public's back up, lets refer to some of them as 'she' unless specifically making a point about men in wigs in prison when out and about campaigning.
WNNT and the newer groups which have spung up most recently are 'fuck the lies, they are men and we are not messing with pronouns - being polite is whats got us into this shit'

lisamuggeridge · 18/09/2018 18:23

And because the Corbynism that will soon become MdDonnellism is entirely about a false identity so womens political machinery and trade unions can be occupied by the Labour left, they have become so abusive they are a direct risk of fascism and a direct risk to women and jews and they will try to turn WPUK into that. And its up to the women of WPUK to decide if they stand up to it but I dont need that machinery cos we have our own and that is why we made sure that there was tandem meetings going on where women COULD speak openly and freely about equality being rolled back wuthout being abused in the way the left do.

lisamuggeridge · 18/09/2018 18:20

It is a simple fact that there is unbroken consensus on welfare reform that is rooted in economics and academic disciplines and media and politics orgs who do not acknowledge any link between women and welfare, and that is STILL the case at LSE.

WPUK will now seek to prevent discussion of this which is explicitly about PREVENTING discussion of eight years of austerity which quite frankly women cant bear any more and has generated system failure.

They tried to throw Posie under a bus to assert authority and that has failed and now I am saying QED. Watch how WPUK is turned specifically into an organisation with ONE sole aim= to prevent women discussing austerity. I am going to do a video directly addressed to Rth which she will ignore because her identity as labour left will make her. But this WILL be demonstrated and be abundantly clear. Ruth and her peers will make WPUK a machine for preventig women discussing austerity and equality and would have used putting women at risk to do so but cant because we stood up to it and bypassed it.

IAmLurkacus · 18/09/2018 18:16

WPUK were always going to be more committed to preserving Labour than anything. This is why I prefer FPFW to them.

Repeal the GRA.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 18/09/2018 18:12

In order to know whether or not women's rights will be prioritized first I need to know what both they and he think "woman" means. At this point they could mean "gerbil" for all I know.

YY - because WPUK hasn't committed to a definition of woman have they - just "Government to consult with women’s organisations on how self-declaration would impact on women-only services and spaces."

or are we getting more TWAW but you can keep some spaces? I need to go research WPUK more ...or does anybody know?? And yes why the secrecy and lack of consultation?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 18/09/2018 18:06

Can we have more than one for contingency purposes :)

James Kirkup?

LangCleg · 18/09/2018 18:06

That meeting was so fucking constructive and John McDonnell is so supportive that it was all in secret and nobody asked the hundreds of women who attended WPUK meetings or donated to them what they'd like to be said?

AngryAttackKittens · 18/09/2018 18:04

In order to know whether or not women's rights will be prioritized first I need to know what both they and he think "woman" means. At this point they could mean "gerbil" for all I know.

LangCleg · 18/09/2018 18:02

WPUK statement:

We can confirm that we have had a meeting in confidence with John McDonnell. That meeting was very constructive and John listened to our concerns and confirmed that women’s rights will be a matter of significance to any future Labour Government. We are pleased he disclosed our meeting to women on Mumsnet who have been at the forefront of pushing politicians on this issue. We encourage more political dialogue and reasoned discussion and hope this can now begin to take place.

Over the past year we have met with several key political figures. We are glad to see politicians increasingly willing to be open about wishing to meet with us and hear women’s concerns. We have been pressing for more such meetings and will continue to do so.

Respectful and open dialogue is the way forward.

Look, I like WPUK. I thank them for their courage and steadfastness and for creating space for women's voices. I like Ruth and Kiri and the others - more than Lisa does!

But y'know. WHAT WAS SAID? How do I know whether or not I agree?This is beginning to smack of WPUK speaking for me without checking with me. I have not given permission for any group to represent me with regard to any of this.

Lisa has more than a point here.

AngryAttackKittens · 18/09/2018 18:00

May I suggest Keanu Reeves?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 18/09/2018 17:54

AIBU to think that Norman Tebbit is not the ideal choice to repopulate the planet with?

YANBU!
Yes we could do better - and we need a non Cluster B man

womanformallyknownaswoman · 18/09/2018 17:53

Worse food I've ever had was sea slug with 100 year old eggs (soaked in urine). Cockroaches I don't think I could eat unless roasted and all traces of the shell removed - come to think of it - no, not even then. I had a hand-sized spider in the car recently on the dashboard - I've never moved so fast in my life. I have spider PTSD now and every so often driving along I suspect I see one on the dashboard again (common cause of road accidents).

Slugs are also off my menu just so you know when I come for lunch

AngryAttackKittens · 18/09/2018 17:47

AIBU to think that Norman Tebbit is not the ideal choice to repopulate the planet with?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 18/09/2018 17:46

Is Norman Tebbit really the best we can do for breeding stock?

Would make a good AIBU post - that no-one would get!!

AngryAttackKittens · 18/09/2018 17:45

In the presence of hand sized spiders I'd be too busy running away screaming to eat much.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 18/09/2018 17:45

"what do you see as your politicial weaknesses / blind spots and how do you think you could improve on them?"

'Breaking the glass' of the current political forces is all about making people to start to think again.

Great idea. Irl I find when I ask that I am often disappointed at the lack of self reflection - we really do need consciousness-raising groups again irl as on here

womanformallyknownaswoman · 18/09/2018 17:43

Who while working in domestic abuse during eight years of austerity never noticed equality being rolled back. Thats not a cause for no platforming THAT is who decides the platform. Same with Ruth.,

Wow just wow - that's what comes of refuges etc being taken over by govt funding with woke policies attached, and women working there cos it suits their image rather than what's needed - well that's the case where I am. I'll go read your blog piece.

btw The Slug and Squirrel sounds like a great name for our first sistapub.

AngryAttackKittens · 18/09/2018 17:43

Sorry but my willingness to sacrifice my stomach for the glorious revolution stops at bugs.

lisamuggeridge · 18/09/2018 17:42

Be leftovers for stir fry too. I did actually genuinely once eat spiders in Cambodia. Apparently during the famine this town realised these spiders were a source of protein and it turns out they are quite delicious. You eat them like crabs and they are nearly size of your hand. You suck the meat out. Which is clearly revolting but it was delicous.

deepwatersolo · 18/09/2018 17:37

So, I'll be the only one going down the corckroach roast road? Oh well then, means there'll be more left for me...

lisamuggeridge · 18/09/2018 17:28

Squirrel update. We are having noodles and sandwiches instead. Squirrel is bony and no good for pate.