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Trying to figure out difference between liberal and radical feminism

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Millie2008 · 16/09/2018 10:35

Although I’ve always considered myself a feminist, since becoming a mother I’ve become more actively interested. Perhaps I’m reading the wrong material, but I’m struggling to work out the fundamental difference between liberal and radical feminism. Can anyone give a succinct summary of each and they’re essential differences please? I understand that it’s probably difficult to do this in a few sentences!, so even if you could point me in the direction of some good reading material that would be great. Thank you

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FunkyBoldRibenas · 16/09/2018 11:52

This explains all for you.

FlamingJuno · 16/09/2018 11:51

Libfems seem to equate "something done by a woman" as "feminism".

FlamingJuno · 16/09/2018 11:49

What Vicky said. I despair sometimes when women go on about equal pay and nurseries and stripping as a form of creative expression and call themselves feminists. When they openly dismiss second wave feminism and all the achievements of the women in that movement.

WarmWishes · 16/09/2018 11:45

Lib fems are the ones who failed biology GCSEs

Blackberrypiesforbreakfast · 16/09/2018 11:45

With liberal feminism literally every choice a woman makes is feminist. Pole dancing is feminist. Wearing red lipstick is feminist. Beyoncé posing naked is feminist. There is no analysis of how choices made on an individual level might contribute to the objectification of women as a sex class. It’s all just super feminist because it’s an action being carried out by a woman.

It genuinely is that shallow and devoid of intelligent analysis.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 16/09/2018 11:33

Libfem centres men and their rights over women - thus endorses prostitution, porn, men in women's spaces and forms etc and downplays the patriarchal system that limits and enslaves all women- it's the "try hard enough and anyway and you'll make it plus anything goes as long as men are not limited in any way" - so isn't feminism.

"Radical" feminism isn't really radical but the good old-fashioned feminism that centres women and their rights.

7toGo · 16/09/2018 11:24

@VickyEadie Grin

VickyEadie · 16/09/2018 11:19

I think I can help.

The Liberal ones aren't actually feminists.

Manderleyagain · 16/09/2018 11:09

This is what I think it is though others may disagree!
Radical feminists take a view or female oppression with its origins in Marxist thought about class and structural oppression. Their definition of patriarchy is from Engels the origin of the family (though I confess I haven't read that!) But that doesn't mean they are all Marxists in the economic sense.
They recognize women (females) as an oppressed class who have been exploited by the male class esp for reproduction, caring labour and sex. They look for the root of this (hence radical) and find the answer to be female biology in comparison to male esp the reproductive role. A more Marxist version ties this to property inheritance and the need for men to know who are their children.
Gender in this way of thinking is the expectations placed on people by a patriarchal society depending on whether they are male or female. These expectations and restrictions keep women in their place and allow men to dominate. It is how the oppression is conducted.
Sex (male female bodies) is therefore v important to this strain of thought. Sorry v long I will come back in a bit for lib fem.

FermatsTheorem · 16/09/2018 11:02

One way of glossing the distinction I've seen is that liberal feminism seeks to improve women's status within the existing system while radical feminism (from the Greek for root - i.e. going to the root of the problem) seeks to critique how the system came into being in the first place, whether it is possible to "fix" the system or whether this is in fact simply putting sticking plasters over an infected wound, and whether in fact we need a different system.

So, for instance, a liberal feminist might campaign for workplace nurseries, while a radical feminist might campaign for a citizen's wage as a way of recognising the unpaid labour women do. (Might rather than would because this is a scrappy off-the-top-of-my-head, oversimplified example - Lisa Muggeridge has an excellent video on what's wrong with a universal citizen's wage ).

deepwatersolo · 16/09/2018 10:52

I can only tell you my impression, and others, more knowledgeable ones, may well correct me. But my impression is that liberal feminism is more superficial, in that it disregards root causes of women‘s oppression, the reproductive role, economic hardships and socialization. They just see the isolated individual imo. So a liberal feminist will say: and if you want to be a prostitute, you can be a prostitute, fully ignoring, what factors (like no other education, being used to abuse by males, no money...) might make a woman choose a career of systematic rape.

But maybe I am biased.