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Stonewall: 100 per cent white, 95 per cent male

90 replies

theOtherPamAyres · 15/09/2018 21:34

Stonewall would probably argue some of its staff identify as black and that there is an over-representation of feminine genders, so that's alright then.

Taken from the Tweet of @GNCmaninpink

Stonewall: 100 per cent white, 95 per cent male
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nopeni · 16/09/2018 07:06

The error is where transwomen don't say they're trans anymore Gronky, they're women, etc so they just count in the group they want and you're left with nothing resembling an actual set of statistics.

Stonewall - the future of all organisations, with at least 50% "women".

What the hell happened.

DuckingGoodPJs · 16/09/2018 06:59

I count 33 staff in the photo (and one stuffed cat)
It really depends on how the stuff cat identifies, don't be assuming its gender now. It could well identify as a pot plant. And active member of the Stonewall team.

Gronky · 16/09/2018 02:59

Terribly sorry, 34 (I missed the person behind the bald sunglasses wearer).

Regressionconfession · 16/09/2018 02:54

So is that what intersectional feminism looks like?

Gronky · 16/09/2018 02:54

I count 33 staff in the photo (and one stuffed cat), one more than half their declared total number of staff members.

Gronky · 16/09/2018 02:50

Sex stats with no biological basis are meaningless

But a biologically based range can be calculated from the stats: at the absolute most, 56% of their staff are genetically female (based on all trans identifying staff identifying as male) and, at the absolute least, 52.6% are genetically female (based on all trans identifying staff identifying as female). It's a simple calculation for the latter (56% * 94% = 52.64% genetically female staff). If there is an error, please do point out where it is.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 16/09/2018 02:38

Sex stats with no biological basis are meaningless

Gronky · 16/09/2018 02:18

56% of our staff were female
6% of our staff identified as trans

Doesn't that mean that, at the very least, 52.6% of their staff are genetically female (assuming every single member who identifies as trans also identifies as female)?

AnotherQuoll · 16/09/2018 02:01

The 'men' in the photo look to be mostly around 5'2 -5'6...

thewitchofwentworth · 15/09/2018 23:53

But do they identify as white? Like that Morgane Oger person from Canada some of them might be 1/32th black and self-identify as BAME.

BesmirchingMotherhood · 15/09/2018 23:34

56% of our staff were female
6% of our staff identified as trans
14% of our staff were from black or ethnic minority communities
13% of our staff considered themselves to be disabled
27% of our staff were heterosexual
18% of our staff were bisexual
23% of our staff had a faith

In Stonewall-land not a single one of those stats means a thing. Not. A. Damn. Thing.

Jamieandwordswo · 15/09/2018 23:30

They probably employ female cleaners, so it’s not only men who work there.

They might also have a staff canteen for women to work in.

doedoe90303811 · 15/09/2018 23:23

There are a few people there who have suspicious looking facial hair. They were likely AFAB.

R0wantrees · 15/09/2018 23:19

I think the picture is from the formation of Stonewall's Trans Advisory group.
Miranda Yardley uses it the the article:
mirandayardley.com/en/ma-vie-en-rose-ruth-hunts-rose-tinted-transgoggles-and-the-anti-woman-politics-of-stonewall/

FourAlarmFire · 15/09/2018 23:13

It’s misleading to say the photo is representative of Stonewall staff who are far more diverse. And it’s misleading to say the people in the photo are all male. I think there is a wider issue about why charities tend to attract rich white people but I don’t think that’s specific to Stonewall.

littlbrowndog · 15/09/2018 23:07

Not one person who isn’t white in it

littlbrowndog · 15/09/2018 23:06

It’s not misleading. The picture is what it is

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 15/09/2018 23:05

Difficult in a photo but grey cowl neck near front. She's got short hair. That's how I know Wink

FourAlarmFire · 15/09/2018 23:03

Yes it actively addresses under-representation and has quite a few BAME staff who are not in that photo! (Also, I have no idea where the 95% male comes from. That’s definitely not true. Even if you count trans women as male then surely you’d count trans men as female! And there are most definitely trans men in that photo.) Seriously. Write to Stonewall and ask questions if you’re interested but don’t jump to conclusions based on a misleading photo on Twitter.

NobodyToVoteForNow · 15/09/2018 23:01

Nearly all the 'women' in that photo are actually men. Theres an actual woman somewhere near the back. I guess she knows her place.

ShackUp · 15/09/2018 22:58

timelady can I just clarify that 'gay' wasn't mentioned in that rundown?

So the gay rights organisation Stonewall has erased gay/lesbian people?

I can't fucking believe this madness.

VickyEadie · 15/09/2018 22:55

"Actively addresses"? Because they'd like to increase the numbers?

littlbrowndog · 15/09/2018 22:55

Really ?

Don’t look like their actively addressing it is working tbh

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 15/09/2018 22:54

No I can see natal women in there.