MNHQ: I'd like to start a thread about the reality of phalloplasty without it being deleted

I think people underestimate these types of surgery, or rather some people do

Female orgasms can be so incredible - there is no way a bit of harvested skin from your forearm is ever going to give you similar sexual sensation.

I know, it’s horrific

And for nothing

Well what we all mostly want is to have a great sex life

How can they have that
They will just be on a web forum talking about their surgeries

Poor poor women to do that to yourself with the help and collusion of liars

But no one ever says to them

There was a tumblr about ftm trans treatments and there was one young woman who had had phalloplasty and had the most horrendous complications, being incontinent of urine, having faeces leaking out of the perineum, just awful awful stuff. They were still having to go through more and more surgery to attempt to correct what the surgeon had done their body. And had also started legal action against the surgeon (and wasn’t the only patient suing him). This was in America. And it was harrowing. The person had suffered so much and there was no end in sight of their suffering. I’ve not looked at the tumblr did ages but just hope everything eventually was made right for them.

That's not just skin. That's a proper pound of flesh that is.

Omg
How will they ever take part in adult relationship
No chance

Poor feckers

It's shocking to see pictures of the results of breast binding too

Presumably MNHQ could have just deleted the photos in the other thread rather than delete the whole thread?

I used to moderate a huge forum a decade age and we could delete photos back then, surely MNHQ have the power to be discerning in their use of the big delete button?

FWIW id like to read a discussion and not see images as I know they will upset me.

I think a discussion ought to be fine with advice to google for those who wish to view images for themselves. I can't see why images should need to be included. We all have google, we can all take a few minutes to use it if we wish to see what the results of these procedures look like, surely?

I don’t understand the reference to arms?

I believe the forearm is skinned to harvest skin for the pseudo phallus speakingwoman

I don’t understand the reference to arms?

Well, it seems like a war on woman.

But it is apparently about the arms being where they take the skin from to make the penises.

After seeing this thread, I can only say 'the horror, the horror'.

If we see the reality of it we might not blindly support it. So we must not be allowed to see it.
Why MNHQ feels it has to participate in this distinctly sinister approach - who knows. Fear of the TRAs I expect

I don’t understand the reference to arms?

I feel shocked just reading this without seeing images. Is it really 1000s of young women doing this now? Are stats kept on it?

Sadly there are many post-surgical suicides from females that have had this procedure. Arm scars are probably the least of it, I would suspect no sexual enjoyment, as well as a useless psuedo-phallus.

In a world where various organisations are going into primary schools and authoring books about happy trans penguins and parties with balloons when you transition, and where the BBC is producing documentaries (I am Leo) which make it all look like a walk in the park, I think we desperately need to be able to talk about the medical reality of these procedures.

Well said Fermats. The reality/result is very much glossed over. Older feminists will remember being critical of the gynae profession for all the unnecessary hysterectomies. Now the profession have a more socially-approved way of doing the same, and worse.

I feel ill having googled.
I can't believe this is happening.

I googled it. Geezo.

I looked up FTM surgery side effects after I read your post Barracker.

It is not only the original surgery, but the fact that there is clear discussion about maybe needing ‘revisions’ done.

Why, why oh why are people not counselled against this?

The other side of the coin is that if surgery is so bad, this is where the impetus for self-ID comes from. Hence, one can transition without medical intervention. Here I come to the sticking point -transition from what to what? A concept of feminine to a concept of masculine? Why not just do away with these concepts and be who you are? What gateways does becoming a concept of masculine open (or leaving a concept of feminine close)?

I was particularly at one surgeon’s website which described a hysterectomy as a gender-reassignment surgery. I am really very sure that is not why surgeons started doing hysterectomies. Oh, and it mentioned the ‘liberation’ of the testerone enlarged clitoris to become a penis. The language alone is mind-boggling - does a clitoris need liberating? Surely women’s liberation was and is about more than taking a scalpel to their nether regions and creating a facsimile of male genitals.