Single Sex Schools

The real issue is why there is not an equally good school for girls ...
That was what struck me too.

I suspect we live in the same town and the provision for girls and boys is very, very different. Which is just wrong. And of course sibling link would apply if your friend had two boys, whearas because her youngest is a girl, it’s two different schools.
It’s an interesting thought experiment, because self Id isn’t expected to apply to hereditary peerages or to so many of the real life examples of male advantage. That includes this dd not actually being able to hold her own in contact sports at the boys school whearas a boy at secondary with girls could be in every first team!

My daughter just started at a girls school. I asked about this and they said they only admit children born female regardless of how they identify. I’m starting to get to know some parents - there would be riots and chaos if they tried to change this!

Surely there is a girls' school as well as a boys' school. And invariably the girls' school does better than the boys' school.

Spartacus yes, I think I see where you might be going - there's the power differential to consider here as well. Women aren't "allowed" to climb the latter and move men aside; women can shove over though.

My example was more as a quick means of peak transing someone who hasn't really been exposed to all the knowledge we have, iyswim - would easily work on dads, grandads, etc. It reveals the ridiculous double standard and safeguarding issues instantly.

"A sure fire way to get a girl to hate her body is to let her develop in front of a few hundred boys as the only girl. "

Ah but with self id he'd be developing as a boy so it's all cool

I'd want to send her to an all-girls' school. I don't see the benefit to girls in mixed schooling at all.

o why shouldn't women / girls be able to avail themselves of a bit of male privilege.

You can't borrow privilege. Even if you could pass as male you'd always be worried about getting caught out and the risks that come with it.

Presumably, this is tongue in cheek because the obvious reasons for why this would be a terrible idea are way too obvious.

Sexual assault in schools rife in mixed schools and she'd be exposed to "female as other" a thousand times worse than at a mixed school. A sure fire way to get a girl to hate her body is to let her develop in front of a few hundred boys as the only girl.

Additionally, in the current climate, the absolute last thing I would want to do with a "tomboy" is in anyway encourage them to think they are trans.

However, I think it does beautifully illustrate the utter stupidity of self-id. Put this proposition in front of virtually anyone and you'll get reactions about safety on the pitch, showers, periods, bullying, etc etc. Boys need their space, right

I know. But there is something complicated going on in my head about how men and boys want the little that girls and women have when they have so much already. I can't explain it though.

The real issue is why there is not an equally good school for girls ...

This is, of course, the main issue (and why mixed schools aren't up to the same standard, too).

However, I think it does beautifully illustrate the utter stupidity of self-id. Put this proposition in front of virtually anyone and you'll get reactions about safety on the pitch, showers, periods, bullying, etc etc. Boys need their space, right?

Then all you have to do is reverse it: Why then should a boy be able to identify into a girls' school? Girls' sports? Girl guides? Girls surely need their space, yes? So why are girls ALREADY being put at risk, and what are you going to do about it?

I think if it ever does get exploited, it will need to be en masse. The idea of one girl in a class with 20 boys is pretty scary - she will inevitably be on the receiving end of bullying and sexual abuse.

But I do look forward to the day when 100 girls self-identifying as boys apply to Eton or Winchester.

I really hope some parents and girls will exploit this, as soon as this self id starts affecting boys and men negatively, there might be a rethink.

All boys schools can also let boys flourish in what can be perceived as more feminine activities such as music and drama. Or take on more
Caring roles in the school. If you add girls into the mix, I suspect those numbers would fall.

She may love ‘male’ sports, but she won’t be able to play them in a boys school. At least she won’t be able to play rugby with her peers. And possibly other sports.

Wouid she want to live the rest of her time at primary as a boy

What does this even mean? Play football, wear trousers, transform into a male child?

"Her DD is a bit of a tomboy, loves predominantly male sports, wears football kit when not in uniform etc."

According to many definitions she is already trans because of ^

My DS has asked for a doll, he loves pastel colours and has mostly girl mates, in some schools he'd be 'watched" as being potentially trans

The real issue is why there is not an equally good school for girls ...

Crikey no, OP! Imagine your poor DD sharing a communal shower after PE with 30 naked teenage boys?! I don’t think claims of “But I identify as a boy!” will be any help at all.

Boys learn differently from girls

No, they don't.

It's only a matter of time until this happens in many schools and single sex education (particularly for girls) will disappear.
Yet again this is why sex rather than gender should be the deciding factor. If girls/boys want to identify as the other gender temporarily or permanently during their time at school (and it seems to be all the rage to do so now during adolescence) they should be allowed to get on with it but in the school that matches their biological sex. I would have no problem with a female who identifies as a boy in a girls' school or a male who identifies as a girl in a boys' school however I would have a huge issue if schools followed the approach of the girl guides.

Single sex schools can be, I think, particularly valuable for children who don't follow rigid gender stereotypes - the geeky girls etc. 'Gender' is less of an issue.