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How's your 'sexual market value'? :D

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Echobelly · 14/09/2018 21:19

Variously entertained and disgusted by tweets people are sharing of MRA/PUA types going on about women's 'sexual market value'. Apparently as women, our 'SMV' starts waning in our mid 20s and is gone by 35! Whereas men can keep it until they're older by being rich and successful.

Funny how none of them consider that some of us might be quite happy to not be seen as a fuckable commodity, and that we don't necessarily base out self worth around how shaggable men think we are.

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arranfan · 15/09/2018 09:59

Bear with me.

On another thread, a PP wrote: If I, as a woman, looked down and saw I had male genitalia I'd be horrified - surely they would be if they had genuine body dysphoria. But no, they love their penises

This jumped out at me because of the body switch films.

The more usual one is where an adult and child end up in an inadvertent body swap.

I can think of films where the male protagonist (after death) 'was body-swapped to a female body and cue the comedy of being delighted to discover own breasts and showing them off as a desirable consumer item to male best friends (who've been alerted to the swap) . E.g., Switch www.imdb.com/title/tt0103016/?ref_=rvi_tt

The Hot Chick is where the increase in sexual marketing value is made particularly explicit.

the now criminal in a woman's body has discovered he/she has a marketable quality in the form of being a "hot chick". As hard as Rob Schneider's Jessica is working towards reversing the curse, Rachel McAdams' criminal is working just as hard to use it before he/she loses it, including shaking it on a stage for dollar bills.

www.imdb.com/title/tt0302640/?ref_=ttls_li_tt

And, all of this is packaged and consumed as family-friendly/comedy categories.

PackingSoap · 15/09/2018 09:48

I find it fascinating. I think it just shows how little these MRA types understand about life and the world.

The most important thing really for later life is companionship, and I know quite a few single, never married/never long term relationship blokes over 40 who feel this lack keenly. They are lonely, simple as. They come home to empty flats every day.

All their other friends have partners or wives; most have children, so their friendship groups don't have much social capacity anymore. It can be a very isolating situation to be in if you don't make the effort to get involved with something outside of work.

Sexual market value, my arse. What they don't realise is that over 35, that kind of thing doesn't matter anymore because people's needs and desires in a partner become far more complex (unless you are Mick Jagger who has just never grown up).

AngryAttackKittens · 15/09/2018 09:40

I'd love to know how that particular fool thinks eggs work. We should make him create a flowchart to explain what he thinks happens to a woman's eggs if she has lots of sex with lots of different men, versus lots of sex with one man, versus no sex at all.

Echobelly · 15/09/2018 09:22

Latest one I've seen is about how women's eggs are their most precious commodity so they shouldn't 'waste them' by sleeping with lots of guys during their 20s. Grin I don't think that's how eggs work mate.

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2rebecca · 15/09/2018 07:05

The Naked Attraction obsession with shaving piecing and inking everything annoys me. I see a lot of naked bodies as a GP. Most are still fairly natural looking. I presume it's just who applies though as I'd never go on the show. The most attractive person is often rejected first. Plus don't think I've ever seen a man I fancy naked and thought "Oh no" so disagree with the premise behind the series.

HelenaDove · 15/09/2018 03:01

Materialist my DH is 23 years my senior We have been together for 26 years Hes 68 and has health problems including COPD.

I would not want to date a man my own age and i certainly wouldnt date a younger man.

Most of them have been too brainwashed into thinking that a womans body hair is dirty. You can see it reflected in these boards sometimes and in the reaction ive seen on Twitter towards womens body hair on that stupid Naked Attraction programme.

On one of the old dating threads on the Relationships board someone recognized a bloke that shed been dating on there Was a right car crash!

These types of men dont want a woman to date them They want a woman to audition for them and that bloke on the dating thread was the same.

The expectations on women now are just too high. Especially for women on a low income who cant afford to fulfill all these grooming expectations and get nasty misogynistic comments because of it.

Nah If i was single i would still want no part in it.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 15/09/2018 02:53

Time for a party?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 15/09/2018 02:14

As all women know, penis is the low value item in play here.

As my old lecturer used to say, "eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap".

We might care how fuckable they think we are, if they were capable of having decent, enjoyable, enthusiastically consenting sex. But they're not, so we aren't.

FloralBunting · 15/09/2018 01:48

Yep. It's very teenaged boys gossiping about how they're all having sex, really.

HotRocker · 14/09/2018 23:28

It’s nothing to do with how old or fuckable women are, they’d be grateful to get into the pants of anyone of us. It’s all about impressing their fellow sados. Insecure inadequate little men trying to prove they are more manly than other insecure inadequate little men. It’s no wonder they can’t get laid.

FloralBunting · 14/09/2018 22:53

Well, quite. There is a glut of cock on the market, tbh.

I always find it fascinating what men base 'fuckability' on. Usually the ability to give them an erection I suppose. So I would imagine that older women are less sexually valuable to them because we often stop giving a shit about putting men's wants and desires above our own.

Ah well, I can live with that.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/09/2018 22:52

The other angle is how dull older men are. I keep trying to get the motivation to start online dating again. But men my age are sooo boring. Older women are vital and interesting. Older men want to discuss the best route to somewhere or their jobs.

During my last stint of dating I had one who was such an appalling bore that I found myself leaping to my feet, saying I had no idea it was so late and rushing from the pub. It was 9.30.

Actually, remembering that date, I think I'll postpone my online dating again. No good ever comes from it.

LangCleg · 14/09/2018 22:41

As all women know, penis is the low value item in play here.

AngryAttackKittens · 14/09/2018 22:27

The whole "women don't age as well as men" thing is an attempt at a reversal that only exists because men know bloody well that we age better than they do and have better luck finding partners as we age.

2rebecca · 14/09/2018 22:23

Agree that many women age better than men. I think women in their 30s and 40s look fab. Now in my 50s I am starting to look less fab, but so's my husband and I care less what random men think of my appearance now. I did my fastest 10 mile cycle time trial this year. That's more important to me now than looking cute and pouty (although I was always crap at that sort of stuff).
Most dating sites show single men struggle to get partners more than single women because we're fussier so I suspect the dating market value think is bunkum when it comes to real dating.

bzzbeebzz · 14/09/2018 22:09

Could not agree more with AnyFucker. Who give a shit what eejits like that think, about anything.

AngryAttackKittens · 14/09/2018 22:05

So what they're saying is that older men better have enough money to bribe women into shagging them as nobody would otherwise?

NorthEndGal · 14/09/2018 21:51

If you go on any porn site, one of the top links is always for milfs.
I wonder how they explain that...?

ALittleBitofVitriol · 14/09/2018 21:47

Puhlease. This is just what those douches want us to think they think. We know that 'milf' is a thing. Truth is - men aren't that picky!

AnyFucker · 14/09/2018 21:45

Slow Friday ? Fair play 😁

Echobelly · 14/09/2018 21:44

Fair point @AnyFucker ! I find it quite entertaining how clueless they are is all.

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IfNotNowThenWhen1 · 14/09/2018 21:38

God actually, thinking about it I had quite a few hot young men on the go at 35/36/37. No squat, bitter, porn addled frustrated little MRA pillocks though-I wasn't desperate.

AnyFucker · 14/09/2018 21:35

Why are we talking about what these losers think ?

HairyAntoinette · 14/09/2018 21:35

About thruppence.

Hopefully I'll be able to keep my head up and keep going even though my sexual value is so low. Pray for me.

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