Man pretends to have Downs and hires young women to change his nappy

Christ - I thought that Uni case was bad enough.

Honestly, anyone who says 'who would make the effort' is being intentionally obtuse - we all know that men put vast effort and money into their wanking - just look at how much the porn industry is worth.

(plus yes, septic tank guy, died in a wall guy, all the guys with their shoe cameras and coat hook cameras, and wired AirBNBs - Men put that extra money and all the spare time they have into worshiping their most treasured possession - their penis.

people are seriously suggesting that they won't say a simple sentence to do it?

Under self ID they won't even need to do that. Repeatedly I'm seeing that asking people for identification is unacceptable, so any man walking into a women's facility has self identified just by the act of walking in there alone, and immediately assumes all the involved protections.

Trans ability. Trans age. These are already things. If you can be legally recognised as something you objectively, provably are not, because you 'feel' different internally, and you are therefore entitled to the legal privileges of the group you have identified into, this will be used as a precedent. If you can change sex on your driving licence and identify into refuges, how are you going to stop people identifying into disability benefits and carers? Or identifying into the local Brownies? Think of Aimee Challoner's father or Stephonee Wolscht, both of whom like to identify as six year old little girls.

Don't be upset when you get Danielle Muscato

plus her lady tools

I really shouldn't be laughing because this thread has the vilest topic but I am.

Gallows humour trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance of the prevalence of sexual deviancy and some telling me (including striking my comments) when I made those links previously about the increased risks when relaxing safeguarding for self-id.

Meldrum, from Lewisham in south-east London, admits installing the software on the women's computer but claims he wanted to eavesdrop on them rather than watch them.

Like eavesdropping is OK ......yuck yuckity yuck - creepy fuck. Moral - beware of strange men fiddling with your laptop etc Predators get everywhere - I really wish we had women-only repairers and tradespeople.

When I first started working as a paramedic (in my early 20s) there was a elderly man (no dementia) at a local care home who used to pull his catheter out deliberately on a regular basis so that he could have it reinserted by a female nurse, as it aroused him. As soon as I walked in to his room the first thing he said was 'do you want to see it' and just pulled back his bed sheet! Because he was elderly, we were supposed to just accept it. A&e's approach was to hope they had a male nurse free, and to get him to reinsert the catheter in the hope that it might put him off doing it so frequently.

Sorry, woman - didn't mean to womansplain!

No worries - I like the care that is behind the comment - something that is totally missing when mansplained!!

Shame - I was toying with having it as a PhD subject - maybe at Goldsmiths as I hear they have lots of expertise in some subjects

I really shouldn't be laughing because this thread has the vilest topic but I am. Thank you for making marginally less disgusting!

There are no depths to which deviant men will not sink. No lengths to which they will not go.

I can't stop thinking about the 10 y.o raped and tortured by David Challenor.

She must have suffered so much pain and terror. But knowing that she endured that while her assailant was dressed in an adult size little girl costume and telling her he was a 6 y.o called Lucy makes it far worse.

I can't imagine how a child could process that. It's so disturbing and grotesque. Children, of their nature and lack of experience, cannot understand sexual deviancy.

On a less disturbing but quite intriguing note, my DF told me last week about how when he was a child there was a local man who had a wonderful telescope. The unspoken deal was that if you wanted to use the telescope, you'd sit next to him, he'd slip his hand down your shorts and, as DF put it, fiddle about.

My DF says it didn't upset him. At the time he was just mystified as to what the man got out of it. As a prepubescent child, my DF didn't 'get' adult sexual feeling. The assaults were very low key and so he wasn't freaked out

And that's why, yes, they will say they are transgender and dress up in a skirt and make-up if they think it gives them more opportunity to be close to potential victims.

As we all know on here, they won't even have to go that far. Self-id means 'I am what I say I am'.

It is just like the situation with every other abusive situation that has flown under the radar. A generation ago, people wouldn't have dreamed of seeing a Catholic priest in anything but a positive light, albeit some of them probably disagreed with the popery and religion. Now Catholic priest is shorthand for sex abuser, even though I'm quite sure most of us understand that not every priest is an abuser. The stigma has arisen because it was originally such a prestige, unassailable position that certain men took advantage and did awful things and people were too naive to see the dangers.

There is no difference here whatsoever. The fact that so many people are still so bloody naive they can't grasp the concept of predators being predators disturbs and frustrates me.

Dyou know, a quick google of man pretends voyeurism gives:

man travels across arizona pretending to be a hairdresser to spy on women: lasvegassun.com/news/2015/jul/25/hairdresser-faces-voyeurism-charges-arizona/

Man pretends to be a woman to spy on women www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6104185/Police-charge-fairground-worker-voyeurism-posing-woman-film-bathroom-stalls.html

Man (Goldsmiths student) pretends to fix computers to install webcam spyware on 3 women's laptops www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570840/Hi-tech-Peeping-Tom-planted-spy-software-womens-laptops.html

Man pretends to be doctor in order to commit voyeurism and fraud against women www.itv.com/news/wales/2016-11-15/man-filmed-himself-with-muslim-women-and-blackmailed-them-court-told/

Man pretends to be sorority member to commit video voyeurism and extortion www.gainesville.com/article/LK/20101210/News/604158400/GS/

Man pretends to be a model agent and sometimes a woman to get access to children to make indecent images www.belfastlive.co.uk/incoming/man-who-set-himself-up-12722982

Man pretends female changing rooms at the leisure centre he works at are out of order so women change in a room he's put spycams in www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/16611539.darren-senior-jailed-for-voyeurism-and-sexual-assault-of-child-at-tong-recreation-centre-and-richard-dunn-sports-centre/

Man pretends to be female artist online to perform acts of voyuerism, blackmail and other horrors www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prolific-paedophile-jailed-32-years-12050678

Enough googling for now.

*woman, he couldn't be washed at his home because he lived with his parents who knew full well he wasn't disabled. He was busted when one of the caregivers followed him home.

I read that and comprehend - but then it begs the question of where were they bathing him if not at home? Caregivers normally go to one's home don't they? Anyway, don't want to derail on that diversion...

The main issue is why were any of us criticised for making links between some men, sexual deviancy, the lengths they will go to and the very present risk of the relaxation of safeguards in the name of self id?

No worries Iamalso!

*The comment from one of the Canadian women is very telling:- ""He was involving me into his fantasy life. Into his fantasy play."
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This is why I don't want fetishists in female spaces.

This is the crux of it, isn't it.

I'm fucked if me or any other woman or girl should have to put up with this - knowingly against their will or unwittingly.

I'm also perpetually astonished by the naivety of people. Abusers will go to any length to gain access to victims. That's why they become doctors, teachers, priests, care workers, scoutmasters. That's why they put hidden cameras in toilets. And that's why, yes, they will say they are transgender and dress up in a skirt and make-up if they think it gives them more opportunity to be close to potential victims.

I remember when the Jimmy Savile revelations started coming out and some people said, "But at least he did a lot of work for charity!" Yes, he did! So he could gain access to victims! He worked in hospitals not because he loved helping out in hospitals but because it gave him a ready supply of child victims who couldn't escape.

But I had the argument on FB the other day. I was trying to explain how self-ID enabled men to pose as trans so they could sexually abuse children. One of my friends got very upset and said she knew lovely trans people and how dare I say that about trans people etc. It's really exasperating. Can it honestly be that hard to understand the point that this is about abusers using self-ID to gain easy access to victims?

what did all these deviant men do before disposable nappies

This is not something I wish to spend much time pondering!

Shame - I was toying with having it as a PhD subject - maybe at Goldsmiths as I hear they have lots of expertise in some subjects

I am really disturbed by the details of David Challenor's rape and torture of a 10 y.o. I think most of us can empathize with her pain and terror but the fact that this was all happening while her assailant was dressed in an adult sized little girl costume and telling her he was a 6 y.o called Lucy makes it so much more creepy and disgusting.

I can't stop thinking about it. So grotesque. And this man was a Scout leader...

what did all these deviant men do before disposable nappies

This is not something I wish to spend much time pondering!

The lengths that these men go to so access their victim pool and/or their fetish, sometimes years of study just to get there and people are seriously suggesting that they won't say a simple sentence to do it? How simple do they think we are?

This! It is NOT TRANSPHOBIC to say that this is a worry