'Men are 100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies'

In reality, it’s not so easy to just say no. There is an expectation that if one is in a adult heterosexual relationship, one will be having PIV sex semi-regularly, at least.

Most women don’t orgasm from PIV, but men almost always do. It’s not women who decided that PIV is ‘sex’ and everything else is foreplay or an extra.

Batteriesallgone

She’s got a point. Women have sex and they might be fertile at that time. Or they might not and pregnancy may not occur.

Men know they are ALWAYS fertile. So men should be in a permenant state of worrying about not getting someone pregnant, and in search of long acting birth control.

This makes a lot of sense. The Twitter thread not so much.

Women's birth control can have more side effects, and still be considered safe, because the thing it's preventing is pregnancy, which is dangerous, therefore the side-effects, on balance, can be more serious before the scales balance risk-wise.

For men, the side effects are balanced against no danger at all to them, so the bar is much higher.

That’s not taking into account the psychological impact of having a child. If you take mental well-being into account (and the effect on that of an unwanted pregnancy and child) then men may well be willing to take physical/health risks to prevent that.

I think Batteries explained it better than the twitter thread.

Both partners are responsible for unwanted pregnancies unless pregnancy occurs as a result of contraception failure.

Just read the tweet fully and 2 things stand out

1 - it says men can't get women pregnant without having an orgasm.

That's not true and all sex education explains that whilst it is unlikely, sperm can be present in fluid released before ejaculation.

2 - the whole article makes women appear very passive. It's all about what men are doing to women as though women have no say in anything eg " men don't like condoms" " men don't like pulling out method" etc

But women can say NO. If you don't want to have sex without a condom DON'T

Obviously if the man tries to pressure the woman or removes the condom secretly etc then that is abusive and a whole other conversation.

She’s got a point. Women have sex and they might be fertile at that time. Or they might not and pregnancy may not occur.

Men know they are ALWAYS fertile. So men should be in a permenant state of worrying about not getting someone pregnant, and in search of long acting birth control.

The talk of hormonal birth control being terrible for women, but the male version quashed because of side effects is a bit of a red herring.

Women's birth control can have more side effects, and still be considered safe, because the thing it's preventing is pregnancy, which is dangerous, therefore the side-effects, on balance, can be more serious before the scales balance risk-wise.

For men, the side effects are balanced against no danger at all to them, so the bar is much higher.

Yes, at a society level, either method does the job, but on an individual level, balancing risks from BC/no BC, women are more prepared to take BC with more side effects, because the effect of no BC is much more serious for them.

I have a cute nephew who was born because of the rythm method. So I wouldn't advocate that.

How are men responsible for the unwanted pregnancy though (unless they rape the woman)?

To whom is it unwanted?

So, man and woman decide to have sex.

Discussion about contraception - views of each partner expressed.

Woman doesn't want to take responsibility (fair enough). Neither does man (fair enough) so woman says then we're not having sex. No pregnancy.

Surely the power lies with women? No condom no sex.

If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant she has options

• use birth control
• don't have sex.

Men can do or say what they want. No pregnancy, unwanted or not, can occur without a woman can it?

Again with the exception of pregnancy due to rape which is 100% the fault of the man.

I just can't fathom the original argument.

Say no!